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Nationalists are going astray (or not)?
1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 23 Aug 2009 Sun 12:46 pm

I think this section of the forum has been neglected for a while  

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Nationalist Movement Party (MHP) leader Devlet Bahçeli is trying to increase internal tension by attacking everyone and every institution inclined to solve the country´s Kurdish problem.

After attacking retired Chief of General Staff Gen. Hilmi Ozkok, he harshly criticized the National Security Council (MGK) because it announced that the democratization package will be good for the country. In Bahçeli´s view, this institution cannot be said to represent the state and has joined the ones who want to destroy the country(!!!!!). Until very recently, the institution was a worshipping place for nationalists, including the pseudo-leftist Republican People´s Party (CHP) (lol lol lol) , as the institution is the place where military politicians (generals) may exert their influence on civilian politicians. Bahçeli´s fierce attack on the institution shows us once again how nationalism is poisonous and having too much of it can easily lead one astray.

The MGK is composed of politicians, generals, the head of the National Intelligence Organization (MIT), the head of police and so on. ..

until very recently only the generals had composed the state. And, as every objective analyst could see, the recent discussion about solving the Kurdish issue, the proposed democratization package and so on are obviously a state decision. For several years, the MIT gave every signal that it espoused a non-militarist solution to the problem. Even Chief of General Staff Gen. Ilker Basbug stated very strongly a few months ago that military measures fail to prevent thousands of Kurdish youth from joining the Kurdistan Workers´ Party (PKK) terrorists in the mountains. This is why President Gul has been saying that all state institutions agree the problem should be solved by non-militarist means. It is only puzzling that Bahceli cannot see this.

 

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Then, why is Bahçeli so frustrated with this that he even libelously curses his sacred state and acts like an immature infidel? Even its transvestite sister, the CHP (lol lol lol)-- which has been amateurishly emulating his sibling´s ultra-nationalist attire and manners -- has finally decided to give positive signs about the issue, bowing to public pressure. 

...be is out of his mind, thanks to the poisonous honey. May God save him.

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It looks like the writer has NOW realizing that nationalists and nationalism was the real problem to achive a proper peace in Turkey as far as the Kurdish problem is concerned..

 

The full column:

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/...-nationalists-are-going-astray.html

2.       vineyards
1954 posts
 23 Aug 2009 Sun 06:40 pm

 

It looks like the writer has NOW realizing that nationalists and nationalism was the real problem to achive a proper peace in Turkey as far as the Kurdish problem is concerned..

 

 

 Every political view must present an antithesis in order to justify its presence. Zaman being a representative of the Nur community under disguise does not need an excuse like the Kurdish problem it being both a target for and an adversary of the nationalist movement in Turkey.

 

The publications have a habit of fishing for support among those who oppose nationalism for reasons other than their own. There is a general tendency to support whoever works against your enemy. I think this is a very wrong approach. I am against nationalism. Nonetheless, I am much more against radical Islam.

 

I remember very well the time when these so called anti-nationalists were acting together with the ultranationalists.

 

Just as it is told in the lyrics of this Bob Dylan song:

 

You may be an ambassador to England or France,
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance,
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world,
You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls

But you´re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You´re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you´re gonna have to serve somebody.

You might be a rock ´n´ roll addict prancing on the stage,
You might have drugs at your command, women in a cage,
You may be a business man or some high degree thief,
They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief

But you´re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You´re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you´re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a state trooper, you might be a young Turk,
You may be the head of some big TV network,
You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame,
You may be living in another country under another name

But you´re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You´re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you´re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a construction worker working on a home,
You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome,
You might own guns and you might even own tanks,
You might be somebody´s landlord, you might even own banks

But you´re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You´re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you´re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride,
You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side,
You may be workin´ in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair,
You may be somebody´s mistress, may be somebody´s heir

But you´re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You´re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you´re gonna have to serve somebody.

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk,
Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk,
You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread,
You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed

But you´re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You´re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you´re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may call me Terry, you may call me Timmy,
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy,
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray,
You may call me anything but no matter what you say

You´re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You´re gonna have to serve somebody.
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you´re gonna have to serve somebody.

Copyright ©1979 Special Rider Music

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