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Q, W, X (or nationalists and chauvinists are so mentally blocked)
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1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Sep 2009 Mon 12:24 pm

Q, W, X 

The Turkish alphabet, adopted in 1928, has 29 letters and does not contain these three. When one hears about the “Turkish alphabet,” one would think it was invented by the Turks and used since time immemorial. ..

because these threatening letters already existed in the Latin alphabet at the time it was Turkified by executive order of the republican elite. Like everything else, the Turkish bureaucracy denied the Kurds of Turkey the ability to use these three letters in their native tongue and made life miserable when they did.

 

The Kurdish language needs these letters in order to express several sounds that are part of its phonology. But strict laws and even stricter interpretations of them have put many people in prison and had them tortured for years on end just because they insisted in using them. The ban was taken to such extremes that invitations or holiday greeting cards issued by Kurdish mayors became subjects of prosecution or even their sacking (as was the case with the mayor of Diyarbakir´s Sur district).

 

Yet in an international Turkish Language Symposium that convened in 1991 with the participation of all Turkic nations, most of them decided to adopt the Latin alphabet, including these letters, as their national alphabet. So q, w and x became Turkish letters in other Turkic countries. ...

 

.....While any foreigner or bystander would be puzzled, the nationalists and chauvinists of all sorts must be very relieved to have saved their alphabet from alien influence!

 

But then how shall we reconcile with the Kurds, who feel victimized and denied basic rights? A similar nationalist reflex emerged when a university (in Mardin) wanted to initiate a department of Kurdish language and literature. ..

 

Once again our bureaucracy, be it academic or judicial, showed that it is not yet ready for the “opening.” This is so because they do not see themselves as free and independent academics and/or people of the law (for everyone). Instead, they see themselves as agents of the state, and their first priority is upholding the state apparatus with its existing institutions, practices and principles.

 

Unfortunately, they fail to grasp two things: 1) The old ways and means and the institutions that employed them so far have failed. They have produced a tutelary regime devoid of the rule of law, a nation fed on artificial (fabricated) information about itself, and hence one distanced from its past and present reality. Turkey is a relatively poor country despite many advantages that many others lack. 2) Giving rights to other groups of citizens and having them voluntarily participate in the politics of their country with their cultural identities is not subversive or divisive. The Turks will not lose what is theirs; the others will gain, too. There is no loss in this equation; on the contrary, everyone wins. But the nationalists and chauvinists of this country, just as those of any other nation, are so mentally blocked and full of fear of losing what they think is “theirs” that this has led to an unjust and authoritarian system which has alienated large chunks of people who debate the legitimacy of the system -- and that is explosive.

 

Full article from Prof. Dogu Ergil

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/columnists-188104-q-w-x.html

2.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 28 Sep 2009 Mon 12:35 pm

This is how those bloody Turks oppress the angelic Kurds. The lack of q and w in alphabet is a crime against humanity!

 

 

"The Kurdish language needs these letters in order to express several sounds that are part of its phonology"

 

but the Turkish language does not! and the formal language of the Turkish Republic is Turkish. and we don`t give a f**k if it suits kurdish or any other language.

 

btw, what should be done about the lack of   çýðöþü in the english alphabet as it  limits my ability to express myself?

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Sep 2009 Mon 12:38 pm

The moral of the article was

the nationalists and chauvinists of this country, just as those of any other nation, are so mentally blocked and full of fear of losing what they think is “theirs” .

That is proved once more!!!

4.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 28 Sep 2009 Mon 12:51 pm

the moral of this piece of crap is kurdish fascism is good fascism, and Kurds don`t have to integrate into the society, but the society must adopt their rules.

 

 

5.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Sep 2009 Mon 12:56 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

the moral of this piece of crap is kurdish fascism is good fascism, and Kurds don`t have to integrate into the society, but the society must adopt their rules.

 

 

 

I dont think you have enough capacity to argue on this matter!!

None of your or any nationalist´s business who integrates to which society..

That was the problem in the first place anyway..

6.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 28 Sep 2009 Mon 01:06 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

None of your or any nationalist´s business who integrates to which society..

 

 

hahahha yeah, but it`s a big problem when evil muslims don`t integrate into the western countries, right?

 

 

 

 

 

7.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Sep 2009 Mon 01:17 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

hahahha yeah, but it`s a big problem when evil muslims don`t integrate into the western countries, right?

 

 

Comparing Kurds (who happen to be living in their own land for thousands of years) in Turkey to Muslim (mostly refugees)  in western countries is  not a  ´bright´ idea!!!

I sincerely think that Turkish politics is not an area you should be posting to..

 

8.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Sep 2009 Mon 02:23 pm

Anyway

The topic was Turkish alphabet and why some letters which are necessary for Kurdish are not included in Turkish alphabet and what is stopping us to include those letters ..So the answer was our own nationalists who have the mental block!!



Edited (9/28/2009) by thehandsom

9.       catwoman
8933 posts
 28 Sep 2009 Mon 07:25 pm

Posts deleted for personal insults.

 

Tamiki -- your habitual harassment and name-calling is not going to be tolerated. I urge you to stick to arguing the subject, not the person, because we are all sick and tired of the way you make some of these threads turn into a slanging match.



Edited (9/28/2009) by catwoman

10.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 28 Sep 2009 Mon 08:26 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Posts deleted for personal insults.

 

Tamiki -- your habitual harassment and name-calling is not going to be tolerated. I urge you to stick to arguing the subject, not the person, because we are all sick and tired of the way you make some of these threads turn into a slanging match.

 

hahahaha yeah it`s only me who is doing it! as for insults and name calling, I have to remind you that you called me "asshole" not long ago.



Edited (9/28/2009) by mhsn supertitiz

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