Is it possible to get job there if I´m pharmasist from other country?

 well, you would need to graduate from a Turkish school of pharmacy to set up your own pharmacy store in Turkiye. Nevertheless, you could still apply for jobs in pharmaceutical companies in Turkiye.

But students from Lithuania ( europa) going to do practise in turkey´s eczane and our students have europien license to work, so I thought maybe there is some way to get job there

 Thanks for info

 I think you can get best info from Turkish Pharmacists Association. Im sure, they will reply all your questions.

http://www.teb.org.tr/en/

 "our students have europien license to work"

good point..Then it is time for Europians to accept Turkiye to join the Europian Union so you will be welcome to set up your own store in Turkiye..

 Do they want to be in EU?  I think they are already happy without it. I just wondered about it. coz our university let us go in Turkey to do practise  in drug store and with erasmus to learn there. so I wanted to know, if they accept us, maybe to get real job is possbile thing too.

They dont give you work permission to work in medical sistem.

 As far as I understand, as an erastmus (exchange) student you can take courses in the school of pharmacy at a university in Turkiye or even practice in a drug store for upto 1 year only. Yet, you would still need a Turkish pharmacy licence to set up your own pharmacy store in Turkiye.

Nonetheless, you can get into a pharmacy graduate program at a Turkish university if you like and finally become a university teacher here in Turkiye..

I`m talking about avery simple thing. go and ask on a forum of your country if you can work as a pharmacist there as a Turkish citizen and see what kind of responses you get. is it so difficult to understand that?

I got enought info here and I´m not attacking u to tell me more hayvanherif! it seems u got angry one me. I asked main questions and now I got news where to ask more about it. Thanks for all.

 then I´m sorry

i donot agree at all... some people over here would rather prefere pharmacist exchange contracts with turkey in stead of with some new EU countries....

What countries are you talking about and which christians ?

 Of course it´s an important topic but when someone like tami comes along and lives in the west and uses it´s resources to get what he wants then takes every opportunity to denounce it, it tends to fall on deaf ears. 

If tami were seriously interested in discussion on the subject, that would be one thing, but he has a clear agenda....clear to him anyway....and it does not include anything close to an adult, rational discussion, he is only interested in stirring pots and inciting anger.  Unfortunately, too many people fall for it.   

 This implies people DO get excited when you talk to them?

Tami, you´ve opened my eyes! So, I should now go back to the maternity ward and demand that all the Pakistani, African and Arab doctors who assissted the birth of my son be given the sack! Apparently they can´t practice in Christian Europe. If only I had known that before...

don`t you?

- the hospital I worked in it was difficult to find a doctor who wasn´t a Muslim - but clearly they must have all been working illegally because Christian Europeans would never employ them would they?

you actually looked for a non-muslim doctor? that pretty much sums up what I`m talking about

what is it that you have been talking about? it sounded like unrelated bunch of words really..

Stop twisting my words - that was not what I meant. I worked for 3 different muslim doctors.  A large number of doctors were from Saudi, Pakistan and other Muslim countries.  The majority of GPs in the area where I lived where Muslim.  Do you know nothing about the UK at all?

Tami wanted to distract everyone´s attention from the fact that his accusations of Europe not giving Muslim doctors a chance were nothing but a lie by twisting LiR´s words so that they came across as racist. He failed to see that she was not indeed looking for a non-Muslim doctor but worked in a hospital and thus knew where the doctors came from.

cool, that proves nothing but that the muslims are better qualified for the job than the english.

first part you got right: that proves nothing...

when did I mention about doctors? the thread is about pharmacy, it`s rather lir and you who are trying to change the subject

It actually proves that your initial argument about Muslim qualifications not being recognised in the Christian world are but a bunch of nonsense

that proves a couple things actually.. none of them is flattering to you.

trying to change the subject?

omg i must ask our turkish exchange students how did they even dare to come to our university coz as far as i know, at least one of them is planning to stay and work here as a doctor after graduation

i think it doesn´t, coz if those moslems are happy here NOW, i think they won´t get more unhappy after graduation either

thanks for your honesty, my point is proven

yeah coz what already is good doesn´t need to be changed

baby, i´m sorry to dissapoint you but you are not "all moslems" or "all turks" real turks are good people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_of_Romania

 And appeareances are deceitful came into voice again,how do you know he is not a good person yakamozz?only because of his fooling around?Things are not always the way we see it,especially in TLC.In fact  in real life he is a very good ,sensitive,helpful ,reliable person.

well,that is all I wanted to say,please spare me comments.

here´s became hot I don´t know a lot obout racism. in my country comes a lot of student from Lebanon, Pakistan, some from Spain and ect. They study here odonology and medicine, and when they finishing it, they go back in they´re country to work. Some of them satying here and working in hospitals. not all people are racists, thanks God , I´m not one of them

 Aww tam, tam, tam!!  You are basing your arguments (if anyone could call them that...I think them more rantings)...on the fact that no one likes YOU.  That has nothing to do with religious affiliation.......it´s all about your personality!! 

Somebody has left the building 

Poor Tami got a good licking again Why can´t he understand that people in the west do not hate Muslims? I am more than delighted to have had a really good care in hospital. Why would I care if my obstetrician was Muslim or not? I was there to have a C section, not to marry him (or her for that matter ).

It´s harder and harder for Tami to cling to his conspiracy theories as they fall crumbling dow to the ground

PS I didn´t need to change the subject, Tami I referred to it in the first part of my post and in the second one I just had a laugh at you

I have just had a good tidy up in this thread, deleting any references to racism and east hating west and likewise to try and bring it back to the original request. 

I apologise to anyone whose sensible post has been deleted where it quoted one of the posts that warranted deletion.

Was Martin Luther a Christian of the West?

What did he think of Moslems in general, and Turks in particular?

http://www.lutherdansk.dk/On%20war%20against%20Islamic%20reign%20of%20terror/On%20war%20against%20Islamic%20reign%20of%20terror1.htm

PS; This is a subject previously mentioned in this class. Just in case daydreamer has missed the first edition, Copy&Paste the link, if interested.

  You are telling me all the muslims doctors i work with are here illegally? When they send them all back home then the hospital will have very few doctors

 NO, it proves that muslims doctors get better payed and given more oppertunity to carry on learning than in their own countries

I don´t think you find an explanation in the fact that he lived in the times when Ottomans had their "friendly" forays of Europe trying too expand their empire? Quite difficult to blame him seeing Europe being attacked by Ottoman hoards and young boys being forced to join janissaries...but, once Dabrowskis stopped the Ottomans, the relations improved

On a personal note, Dear Alpha, could you possibly if it´s not too much trouble provide your links as hypertext? It would save a lot of copy&pasting if you did. Clicking on hypertext is faster

Dear daydreamer,

Would you care to point out to me one contemporary treatise, by a thinker of comperable christian eminence, which explains Moslems are very "friendly" and that Turks are the best of the whole lot?

a mistake

 I can only agree with you Birdy.  I think the problem is that western mods don´t always actually notice when they are doing exactly the same as Tami, but towards muslims.  Ahh well - another deletion for Tami, and yet more anti-muslim posts are ignored and found acceptable!

 Where is the war between christians and muslims ? 

Reyhan - your comment has no relevance to Aenigma´s whatsoever.  No problem in going off-topic but as someone commented to the late departed Tami - does every post have to turn into a christian v muslim ´debate´?

Ý still hope somebody will explain what all this topic means.

The topic is whether or not it is possible for a foreign pharmacist to get a job in Turkey.  As, from what I´ve been told, it is not even possible for a foreign doctor to get a job in Turkey, then I would think the definitive answer is no - not unless that foreigner becomes a Turkish citizen.

.....and I just noticed you answered the question yourself on Page 2

As far as I know, the problem here is not whether the applicant holds Turkish passport or not. Since educational systems in different countries are vastly different, there is an issue of compatibility among them.

For example, one of my cousins was graduated as a dentist from Moscow University and her diploma is not accepted in Turkey unless she goes through the hard way of re-entering country specific set of examinations. Since the syllabi are quite different a Moscow University graduate will find it difficult to become a dentist again in Turkey.  If two countries mutually accept the validity of diplomas obtained from each others´ universities there is usually no problem. For example, in Turkey there are just a few universities which are recognized internationally.

I never thought of that being the reason.  We are so used in the UK to employing doctors from all over the world in our hospitals and it seems to be the same for most ancillary medical staff - but then I suppose the majority of them trained in the UK in the first place

Not so actually.  The NHS employs over ONE THIRD of "foreign" doctors (who are trained at their own country´s expense), and we could not survive without them.  In addition, doctors from overseas are "lured" into the UK with promises of jobs and then let down and end up living in poverty.  People who object to foreign doctors in hospitals should remember that WE bring them to the UK, at OUR request and our health system could not survive without them.

 how long have you worked in the NHS?

Oh - I only worked in the NHS for 20 years - I thought I saw a lot of foreign House Officers  - and a lot of native British doctors having to seek jobs abroad because there were too many junior doctors after too few jobs.

 Well sorry but what I say is fact - they are still doing it, this time recently GPs were brought here after British GPs said theywould not work after hours.  Blame the government, NOT the foreign doctors

Didn´t see your comment Christine!  How you doing??  

 Only 20 years  

Not blaming the foreign doctors - just telling you a huge number of them get their training in the UK!

 I am doing fine thank you and hope you are also

Ok - I was a late starter!     20 years was enough to know what goes on though, don´t you agree??

 Nice sarcasm but it does not change the fact that the Government actively encouraged foreign doctors to work in the UK.  20 years of working with them does not change that FACT

I wasn´t being sarcastic 

 Again - blame the government, not them!  But as I said, many were brought here TRAINED. Taken from the British Medical Journal (BMJ):-

Guidance from the UK government that restricts the right of thousands of foreign doctors to work in the NHS was ruled unlawful by the United Kingdom’s highest court, the House of Lords, last week.

The law lords’ ruling, by a 4:1 majority, is a victory for the British Association of Physicians of Indian Origin (BAPIO), which challenged the guidance, issued two years ago by the health secretary at the time, Patricia Hewitt. It should secure the future for thousands of doctors, mainly from the Indian subcontinent, who were encouraged to come to the UK under the highly skilled migrant programme to help staff the NHS.

 I totally agree that we could not survive without them and in all my years working in the NHS as a qualified nurse i have worked with some lovely foreign doctors, but i totally disagree that some are let down and live in poverty.

 No one is blaming the foreign doctors and we all know what a mess the goverment has made of our heath service.

Yes they come to the UK to train, and a large number of them then return to their home countries - where, especially in the Indian subcontinent - they can set up in private practice with the added kudos of an MRCP qualification.  I don´t blame them but don´t say they don´t get as much advantage from us as we do from them.  And it doesn´t alter the fact that it makes it harder and harder for doctors born in the UK (of whatever race or creed) to compete for jobs because in recent years there have been too many doctors for the junior post positions available in the UK.

"They are among thousands of overseas doctors who have flocked to Britain in the past five years in response to the NHS´s global appeal for more staff. But instead of finding hospitals ready to welcome them, they face unemployment, poverty and discrimination."

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-jobless-doctors-from-overseas-who-live-in-poverty-521378.html

Incidently if you check the EU´s Medicine webpage, the NHS are STILL asking for migrant medical staff!!!!

"They are among thousands of overseas doctors who have flocked to Britain in the past five years in response to the NHS´s global appeal for more staff. But instead of finding hospitals ready to welcome them, they face unemployment, poverty and discrimination."

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/the-jobless-doctors-from-overseas-who-live-in-poverty-521378.html

Incidently if you check the EU´s Medicine webpage, the NHS are STILL asking for migrant medical staff!!!!

What you read about the NHS and what you see when you work in it can be very different - however I don´t work in it any longer thank god so maybe I´m not qualified to argue with you!

That is a COP OUT LIR and you know it!!!

I do not believe everything i read in the paper. I am speaking from 35 years of HNS service. How many years have you worked for the NHS?

Ps i will not reply to anymore posts . We will just have to differ in out views

Well I think Christine seems to agree with me that we might just know a bit more about the way things really are than you!

Hahaha you remind of certain members here who love to say "dont talk about what you don´t know" when the discussion is Turkey, politics or Islam

Well, not that it makes any difference, I worked for the NHS for 7 years and my sister has worked as a nurse for the NHS for over 20 years.  However, that makes no difference to the FACTS we are talking about at all - keep your hospital racism for the wards please.  You only need an interest in current affairs to know what the NHS are doing - your clannism is very funny!

 THIS post and YOUR ATTITUDE show everything that is WRONG with the NHS..

Mymy, because someone refuses to argue with you because she says you and she differ in views, hers are suddenly wrong? Talking about having an attitude!

 Ahh I wondered when you would come out of your Moddish silence   Whats wrong Trudy?  Me with an attitidue?  Frankly if someone says "you dont know nothing because you dont work in that industry" and then refuses to continue the discussion, I would call THAT both "having and attitude" and arrogance!

Anyway - nice to see you have not changed ONE TINSY WINSY bit!

 By the way, I find this comment insulting and have personally taken offence at it.  Please delete it and have the member who wrote it deleted!

I wasn´t aware  there was any ´hospital racism´ in my post .  

 ... ZERO TOLERANCE!

 Yeah there was

I only come out of my ´moddish´ silence as you call it, for people or posts who are worth my energy. (I hopefully don´t have to remind you that I didn´t do that for you before?) 

You did nothing for me before actually - and let´s not get personal on posts eh? I am so glad you feel better after your sarcasm, but I feel insulted and so would like you deleted immediately under the "zero tolerance" policy

Where?

 You are basically complaining about foreign doctors coming over and taking all the jobs - even though the government asked them to come here.  I wonder if you include EU workers here too?  You are also complaining that they trained here and then return to their own country because it looks nice on their CVs?  Well good for them - they answered a call from the UK government and made use of it - you begrudge them that?

Not quoting any of the above I would just like to point out that the Highly Skilled Migrant worker programme no longer exists and it is now incorporated into Tier 1 of the points based system for those wishing to come to the UK to work from outside of the EEA countries.  Some of the criteria for those wishing to enter the UK under Tier 1 are incredibly difficult to reach if that person is wishing to come from the third world country.  The criteria is such that the person has to reach I think, 75 points which are made up from level of education (min Msc), level of salary (was £30k but I think it has increased lately) English language skills, money to support yourself.  We are talking doctors, dentist etc.  The criteria was recently made more difficult.

 Yes I read about that LL.  However, there are doctors who came here during the push for more staff at the request of the government. Also, in the European Union "situations vacant" column (!) the UK government are STILL asking for migrant workers in the NHS!

So basically we dont want any nasty dark coloured foreign doctors, just the nice EU white ones from wealthy countries!!

Read the zero tolerance policy again - are you bored this evening?

Quote TheAenigma

Anyway - nice to see you have not changed ONE TINSY WINSY bit!  

Getting personal? Honey, counting starts at one.

 In view of the fact that in the past a number of TC ‘discussions’ have got completely out of hand and, in many cases, personal insults, abusive comments and bad language have destroyed the thread, we have decided to implement - and stick to - a zero tolerance policy. This means that any posts which, in the opinion of admin/mods, contain this type of language will be deleted without comment

You take "you have not changed" to be an insult?  Darling it was a compliment

 Ouhhhhhhhh Trudy Trudy Trudy!  You just confirmed to me what hypocracy that new rule is

thank you canim

 Well yes, that was sort of my point really, it is OK for open migration from countries within the EEA but the criteria for Tier 1 and Tier 2 have been toughened recently.

Saçma!  I never said that and you know it!

 I don´t blame them but don´t say they don´t get as much advantage from us as we do from them.  And it doesn´t alter the fact that it makes it harder and harder for doctors born in the UK (of whatever race or creed)

(plenty of British-born Asian doctors finding it hard to get jobs you know)

 Yes - and thanks for bringing it back to topic

As I said, you begrudge jobs and training going to people from third world countries and would prefer they go to people born into our wonderful rich country

Tami???  Is that you???   

Please don´t presume to tell me what I think

 Unlike you and Christine (who assumed I had never worked for the NHS) I never presume, I just read your posts.  I see nothing in my "summing up" which was not taken directly from your posts canim

“Oh - I only worked in the NHS for 20 years - I thought I saw a lot of foreign House Officers   - and a lot of native British doctors having to seek jobs abroad because there were too many junior doctors after too few jobs”.

"I never thought of that being the reason.  We are so used in the UK to employing doctors from all over the world in our hospitals and it seems to be the same for most ancillary medical staff - but then I suppose the majority of them trained in the UK in the first place "

"Not blaming the foreign doctors - just telling you a huge number of them get their training in the UK! "

"Yes they come to the UK to train, and a large number of them then return to their home countries - where, especially in the Indian subcontinent - they can set up in private practice with the added kudos of an MRCP qualification.  I don´t blame them but don´t say they don´t get as much advantage from us as we do from them.  And it doesn´t alter the fact that it makes it harder and harder for doctors born in the UK (of whatever race or creed) to compete for jobs because in recent years there have been too many doctors for the junior post positions available in the UK."

"What you read about the NHS and what you see when you work in it can be very different - however I don´t work in it any longer thank god so maybe I´m not qualified to argue with you! "

"Well I think Christine seems to agree with me that we might just know a bit more about the way things really are than you! "

You ARE bored aren´t you??  OK you win - I´m racist, referring to someone as ´foreign´ is racist,  I have no idea what I´m talking about as far as the NHS is concerned, I´m out of my depth trying to argue with you, I´m also bored now and off to watch ´Doctors´ on BBC Prime   

Referring to someone foreign is not particularly racist and I made no comment about that   And YES I am bored and at work waiting for silly ghost hunters to finish checking out the building and really want to go home and eat something

Ahmmm..........welcome back...again dear TheAenigma

Ghost hunters checking your building? Hopefully you have gone home to eat by now.  

OTOH (On The Other Hand)....it would be nice if some of those extra doctors could be sent here.

 nor mine

 I did not assumed you had never worked in the NHS. I asked you how many years you had worked.

Quoting Trudy

Aenigma - I am so sorry to see that you find the sentence ´This means that any posts which,in the opinion of admin/mods, contain this type of language, will be deleted without comment´ amusing and ridiculous enough to repeat in the ´memorable quotes´ forum.  I have therefore given it some thought and come up with a revised version which I hope will meet with your approval:

´This means that any posts - which in the opion of a panel of TC members selected to represent both sexes, every nationality and all beliefs and who will be sent pm´s asking them to vote yes or no on whether a post is offensive or not - will be deleted on receipt of all the votes, based on a majority decision.´

However, as this may take several days and during that time a flame war may start which will mean all further posts containing personal insults/obscenities etc. will have to be referred to the panel for a decision - no mod or admin is going to have the time to deal with this so maybe we´d better all resign and let you run the site?

What a lot of work you went to unnecessarily!!! You completely misunderstood me I see.

The reason I put TRUDY´s post (note TRUDY´S not YOURS) into the memorable posts thread, was because I thought it VERY significant that a moderator of this forum (note: TRUDY not YOU) would highlight in red the "in the opinion of admin/mods" part of the paragraph and then post three " " afterwards.

To see a mod joking about the fact that she can choose which posts to delete was not a wise move and doesn´t give anyone much confidence in the maturity or fairness of mods.

Perhaps you should have looked at my post more clearly before writing your reply

Have pasted the post in question so you can better understand it   Perhaps you will now notice that the highlights in red were not MINE and any issues you have with Trudy about this can be discussed with HER!!!! 

Somehow I dont think you will be complaining to her in QUITE such dramatic fashion as your misguided post to me!

Where the hell is lemon?

I told LIR to rephrase herself, but clearly.. she´s not as loving and sensitive as Tami was..  

Truth is that there is a lot of House Officers - and a lot of native British doctors really should leave the country because there were too many junior doctors after too few jobs.

You guys are so used in the UK to employing doctors from all over the world in your hospitals and it seems to be the same for most ancillary medical staff - but then I suppose you did invade them in the first place, now you better make up for it.. by making their language the official language in the UK, and in return you can invade some more countries!!

And it doesn´t alter the fact that it makes it harder and harder *********** ************* because in recent years there have been too many doctors for the junior post positions available in the UK. (Sorry, this is classified information!!!)

Where is Tami?  Did he leave?

Actually he was kicked out of here A fink (thanks Alameda ) informed the Almighty Mods that s/he feels personally insulted by being continually referred to as a Nazi Christian.

Ama üzülme, I´m sure he´ll be back as soon as he comes up with a new nickname

Some sensitive souls (aka Tami) were also insulted by a never uttered "muslim terrorist" phrase..

 This is confusing!!! It looks like you are replying to my comments, when in fact you are replying to LIR´s comments - I was just listing them!

Yes I could not agree with your comments more Cat

some people are so thin skinned today

Sorry you took me so seriously - my post was supposed to be ´humourously sarcastic´ - I wasn´t going for ´dramatic´ at all.  

 You are only sorry that I took you seriously, but NOT sorry that you completely mis-read the post and accused me of ridiculing your holy new rules and laughing at them (when in fact THAT was done by a fellow mod?)  

I didn´t find your post "humourously sarcastic" at all.  Nevermind....

Can we all stop posting in this thread now because it is really irritating me every time I have to read the miss-spelled "pharmasy"

I only wanted to say that I agree with you too!! Sorry about posting here again..

My pleasure Daydreamer, glad to help.............On another note....the more influential mods must have agreed......

and who would that be, alameda?

 Me

(excuse me, what exactly are we talking about )

  It must be you!!

I think Alameda had enjoyed Tami calling every non-Muslim, a "christian nazi" and she resents that he was deleted...

Oh...so I see...so that´s what you think.....hmmm...well I think you think too much sometimes.....just thinking.....you know?  Think about it...

Yes, Alameda, that´s what I think. You know, people here volunteer their time because they care about this place, and they don´t need vile, unfounded accusations of elitism or favoritism for what they do. If you have a reason to think meanly about them, why don´t you explain what it is in a mature way, which is what I had expected from you.

   Actually.....that was my feeble attempt at word play.....a type of humor...it was intended as tongue in cheek

....as to what I think about Tami...and the mods....or the majority of the mods...or, more importntly, the mods with delete power....I sometimes enjoyed his posts, and other times I cringed when I saw them.  In all I think he was not dealt with well.  He was provoked and taunted, rather than negeotiated with.  I actually found many of his posts humerous....and I think that is how he intended them to be as well......  tongue in cheek....obviously he is missed by others here.

In refusing to deal honestly with people like him, and others who have been here....the problem will persist....over and over again...under different nicks.  Just deleting someone does not deal with the issues.  Why does this person feel this way?  Nothing is black and white, there are always some reasons people feel the way they do.  By deleting people, the issues are now escalated and elevated.  I am reminded of two bull moose charging at each other....it becomse a matter of who was the Alpha......

Clearly another of your feeble attempts at humor.   ALL tami was about was provoking and pushing buttons.  For you to say he wasn´t dealt with well is absolutely ludicrous

Oh I see thats what you cook... hmmm... too much cooking... you know? Cook oatmeal... cook it well.

 Correct me if I am wrong - but I believe Tami called all nazi´s Christians, but I don´t think he called all Christians nazis? If you find a post which proves me wrong, then ok.

Actually it is debatable that ALL nazis were Christians as, at certain points in his illustrious "career", Hitler declared himself to be athiest.  Historians disagree on whether this was part of his "image" and that he remained privately Christian, or whether he was in fact atheist...

Hmmmm I actually kind of agree with this...

..............and the point of all this fighting here is..................? oops - there don´t seem to be any..................

Lemoooooonnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!! Finally there´s hope for some love around here!!

 Femme "Lemon" and "Love" in the same sentence?

You´re wrong

He called all non-Muslim inhabitants of Europe and the USA Christian, which in his perverted logic somehow also implied being Nazi. I know he wanted to change the "Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims" saying into "Not all Christians are Nazists but all Nazists are Christian". He however failed miserably by applying the Nazi Christian term to all kinds of actions that had nothing to do with either Christianity or Nazizm and by falsly assuming what you´ve just summed up - that not all Nazists were Christian.

 What does this mean?  I have never had those words said to me before......

Sorry, obviously I forgot to link it,one more time:

TheAenigma, you´re wrong, which is a wee bit different from the situation when things go wrong. I added the extra info in order to avoid confusion.

That was my attempt at humor, did it work?

Yes, I think the terms Nazi is overused in the extreme. Nazis existed at a particular time and place, and do not currently exist.  The term Nazi has become an adjetive, it is unfortunate that the term has made it into popular language.

I understand what he meant by calling "Westerners" Christians is the fact that the dominant cultures in the "West" has decended from a "Christian" past.  I really don´t think most Europeans are particularly religious, or Christian.  The fact of the matter is for a much longer period of time Europe was "Pagan", much longer than it ever was Christian. 

In a sense, I see the current "Christian" countries as an evolution of the Roman Empire, rather than any religion. This not to say I don´t think there are sincere Christians, as I´m sure there are......but the identification as "Christian" is takek many times for  political of social reasons, rather than a sincere spiritual quest.

I wonder, would  Jesus would recognize what has been passing as "Christian" for the last couple thousand years?

 Oh dear!  Clearly you are one of those "the world does not exist outside the USA" people as you are obviously not aware of the HUGE (and ever increasing) numbers of neo-nazis in western europe (and in Germany in particular)...

 If he existed, he would probably be amazed that a jumped up preacher with a few tricks up his sleeve is still remembered

I couldn´t agree more.

Contrary to what AE observes in Germany, I believe the Neo-Nazi subculture (justt like all other forms of skinhead subcultures) are dying out. They´re a bit a thing of the ´90s. It was the time of the great skinhead revival. Nowadays skinheads are taken over by chavs...Besides, the neo-nazi were mostly trying to find their pagan roots, and they were mostly against Christianity as a Jewish thing.

Sure there are groups of neo-nazists/skinheads in Europe (and the USA) but they´re smaller in number than 10 years ago. Seems people of today prefer Emo or tracksuits

I am aware of the neo-nazis........and note the fact that they are called neo-nazi.....they exist here too....I just think a better term would be in order.

Although the Nazis and the Neo-Nazis have similarities, I still think they are unique and separate entities, and I wish a proper more accurate name were available to discribe just what they are......hateful.... intolerant....exclusivist..................

So, can a pharmacist from another country get a job in Turkey????

No, they cant. They have to pass the "nazi" exam.

It didnt work for her or she simply wanted to boast with her knowledge. Anyway that statement was repeated again and again.

 They have nazi exams in Turkey too?  I thought they only had them here in the bed West?

canim, i dont know. i dont care. its not my problem.

Look - Aenigma asked us 4 pages ago to stop posting in this misspelt thread!  Why is no-one taking any notice.  

 And we should listen to Aenigma because???????? 

sould it be ..drug store?

 Yes, I believe that calling it a pharmasy was SOOOOOO last year!

Well....she´s been around TC for ever!

 Oiiii!

 Only if you are a dumb bed amerikan   It seems that you might not understand the word "pharmacy" so you call them Drug Stores!

Whats wrong with "pharmacy" ?

 Nothing (according to the rest of the world).  I suggest you go to a "drug store" and ask them!

 Maalesef i can go only to "farmacie"

 Silly....it´s "farmacy!"

...in romania too? 

 I am not a member of RC (Romanian Class)....so I couldn´t tell you. 

 Tabii ki

 ..in Estonia too?

farmacy? or farmacie then?

 eczane

...kill me now don´t let me suffer...

in estonia farmacy is called apteek

 Medicine i need i can get them only by receipt

In Poland we get our medicine from Apteka and we get a receipt only after we have paid

Turkish pharmacies are fun, I remember I needed an antibiotic during one of my trips and I got it without a prescription Must have been my charm

Thats how it should be everywhere.

 No it isn´t Using antibiotics too much can make you resistant to them. In Turkey people seem to get antibiotics without going to their doctor first. They sneeze once and already run to get a needle in their behind a a big pill in their mouth. When you are REALLY sick and actually need antibiotics, a normal antibiotic will not do the job anymore.