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1.       Hindistan
246 posts
 26 Nov 2011 Sat 08:27 pm

With his unexpected apology for the Kurdish massacre of 1937, Turkey´s Prime Minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has opened the door to the darkest episodes in the country´s history. The Dersim massacre, named after the place where it occurred, refers to the killing of nearly 14,000 Kurdish people to contain a rebellion that began soon after a 1935 law decreed ‘Turkification´, the forcible assimilation of ethnic minorities. In this case, the flashpoint came when the name ‘Dersim´ was changed to ‘Tunceli´. Referring to the incident, Mr. Erdogan said: “If it is necessary to apologise on behalf of the state, if there is such a practice in the books, I will apologise, I am apologising.” His main objective was to embarrass the opposition Republican People´s Party (CHP), which was in power at the time under a system of single-party rule established by Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. He prefaced his statement of contrition with a challenge to the CHP leader to make the apology. He was also playing to the turmoil within the CHP, where some are calling on the party to face up to its past. For all the political point-scoring, Mr. Erdogan is the first Turkish leader to mention the incident and the word ‘apology´ in the same breath. In this sense, it is historic. It also coincides with a government military offensive against the Kurdish rebel group PKK, the first in three years. Although the Erdogan government has made some linguistic and cultural concessions to the Kurdish minority, including starting a broadcast on state television in the once-banned Kurdish language, and reiterated a commitment to resolve the issue politically through talks with the Kurdish representatives, it is insistent that the PKK must first lay down arms.

In describing the Dersim incident as the “most tragic” in Turkey´s recent history that should now be confronted “with courage,” Prime Minister Erdogan has unintentionally turned the spotlight on the 1915 massacre of Armenians, who say 1.5 million of them were killed in a genocide by the Ottoman regime that year. Turkey officially rejects the accusation, holding instead that up to half-a-million Armenians were killed, alongside a similar count of Turks, when they revolted against the Ottoman rulers during the First World War. Turkey´s tough position on this is one of the obstacles to its entry into the European Union. The apology for Dersim is likely to spur fresh demands that Turkey show contrition for 1915 as well, although this seems unlikely. Beyond Turkey, there is a lesson in this for other nations: state injustice and brutality against a group or groups of people is not easily forgotten, not even in a hundred years.

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2.       scalpel
1472 posts
 27 Nov 2011 Sun 01:27 am

If he is genuine in his apology for "the Kurdish massacres of 1937" , He must go ahead and apologize for the Armenian massacre in 1915.. He should apologize for all the Ottoman massacres (especially in the early 1500´s) of Alevi Turks (Kızılbaş ) as well.. and someone else -in 2050 or so- will probably apologize for what he is now doing to PKK in 2011.. What is the logical difference between what happened in Dersim 1937 and what is happening in Colemerg 2011?    



Edited (11/27/2011) by scalpel
Edited (11/27/2011) by scalpel

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3.       Mr.Thunder
31 posts
 10 Dec 2011 Sat 06:41 pm

The Ottomans were really tolerant and respectful to all identities.

 

The messages above only reflect the deep ignorance and prejudices of the West.

 

The historical documents of Turkey, England and Russia say that the "Armenian genocide" is a big lie ! In fact it was the Armenian militias who massacred Turks and Kurds in Eastern Anatolia to create an ethnic cleansed region for the establishment of their "Greater Armenia".

 

You must NOT confuse the real historical facts with the lies of the Armenian ultra nationalist organisations backed by the notorious imperialist states.

 

Here I present what honest , objective Armenians say about that anti-Turkish propapganda based on lies and fabricated documents.

 

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/Tashji.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4.       Mr.Thunder
31 posts
 10 Dec 2011 Sat 06:45 pm

Read his statement here

 

http://www.tallarmeniantale.com/tashji-1989statement.htm

 

 

5.       Mr.Thunder
31 posts
 10 Dec 2011 Sat 06:56 pm

In 1915 , Turkey was fighting against Russia which invaded the Eastern Anatolian region of Turkey.  In Van the Armenian militias made a genocide of Turks and Kurds and established an Armenian government there.

 

The Russian General Leonid Bolhovitinovâ sent reports to his headquarters in Russia. These documents were found in the RUssian military archives. As an eye witness to the events He tells the 1915 events ! 

 

Watch the video presentation his report.

 

http://www.archive.org/details/RussianBrigadierGeneralLeonidBolhovitinovsReportAboutBarbaritiesBy

 

Apart from this Russian General , The British intelligence officer Major E.W.C Noel also sent reports from Eastern Anatolia to his government. He tells that the Armenians definitly LIED and tried to fool the whole world although they themselves massacred Turks and Kurds !! His reports were found and quoted by Professor Mim Kemal Öke in his book with British Archives documentation codes and registry numbers. etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

6.       si++
3785 posts
 10 Dec 2011 Sat 08:45 pm

 

Quoting Mr.Thunder

In 1915 , Turkey was fighting against Russia which invaded the Eastern Anatolian region of Turkey.  In Van the Armenian militias made a genocide of Turks and Kurds and established an Armenian government there.

 

The Russian General Leonid Bolhovitinovâ sent reports to his headquarters in Russia. These documents were found in the RUssian military archives. As an eye witness to the events He tells the 1915 events ! 

 

Watch the video presentation his report.

 

http://www.archive.org/details/RussianBrigadierGeneralLeonidBolhovitinovsReportAboutBarbaritiesBy

 

Apart from this Russian General , The British intelligence officer Major E.W.C Noel also sent reports from Eastern Anatolia to his government. He tells that the Armenians definitly LIED and tried to fool the whole world although they themselves massacred Turks and Kurds !! His reports were found and quoted by Professor Mim Kemal Öke in his book with British Archives documentation codes and registry numbers. etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

That video consists of some slides. I had collected them and posted: here (post #2

 

Copied below as well:

 

 

England intentionally incited Armenians to violence in eastern Anatolia to impede the formation of an alliance between Czarist Russia and the Ottomans that would create a new axis of power.

Russian Brgader General Bolhovitinov 1915

 

Armenian volunteer regiments motivated by ethnic hatred vicously massacred Ottoman Muslims

from Bolhovitinov’s Report

 

 

Before the British induced conflict, Kurds, Turks and Armenians lived together in peace.

from Bolhovitinov’s Report

 

European diplomacy pushed the idea of the formation of an independent Armenia.

from Bolhovitinov’s Report

 

Europe supported rebellion and violence by Armenian guerillas and used Armenian intellectuals to influence public opinion in Europe.

from Bolhovitinov’s Report

 

The Muslim populace was attacked on every front using every means, both under cover of the staged ‘rebellion’ by Armenian guerilla bands and with propaganda.

from Bolhovitinov’s Report

 

Activity by the Armenian guerilla bands took the form of terrorism. This terror was not only directed at Muslims, but also against Armenians who did not support their cause.

from Bolhovitinov’s Report

 

Motivated by racism, Armenian guerilla bands massacred the Muslim population, without regard to age or gender, exterminating entire villages and pillaging all property.

from Bolhovitinov’s Report

 

 



Edited (12/10/2011) by si++

7.       si++
3785 posts
 13 Dec 2011 Tue 08:52 pm

Sargsyan took part in Khojaly massacre: Parliament speaker

ANKARA - Milliyet

 

Parliament Speaker Cemil Çiçek. AA photo

Parliament Speaker Cemil Çiçek. AA photo

Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan took part in the killing of civilians during the Armenia-Azerbaijan war in 1992, Parliamentary Speaker Cemil Çiçek alleged yesterday.

It is ironic that Armenia has accused Turkey of genocide, “while one of the biggest massacres of the recent past was carried out in front of the entire world in 1992 in Khojaly village,” Çiçek said today during an event to commemorate the eighth anniversary of the passing of former Azerbaijani President Haydar Aliyev. “The current Armenian president, Serzh Sargsyan took part in that massacre.” 
Çiçek did not elaborate on Sarsyan’s alleged role in the killings.

One of Azerbaijan’s most pressing issues is the occupation of 20 percent of its territory by Armenia, Çiçek said, adding that Armenia had committed other crimes against humanity by destroying the natural resources in the lands it occupied.  

Azerbaijan´s territorial unity a priority 

Çiçek said the protection of Azerbaijan´s rights in Nagorno-Karabakh, the contested Azerbaijani region that Armenia sought to claim during the 1990s war, was a top priority in Turkish foreign policy.  
"The Nagorno-Karabakh issue is the most important problem that threatens peace in the Caucasus," Çiçek said.  

“The ending of Armenian occupation on Azerbaijan land is an absolute must for the normalization of relations between Turkey and Armenia,” he said. 

Hundreds of ethnic Azeri civilians from the town of Khojaly were killed on Feb. 25, 1992, during the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan in what became known as the Khojaly Massacre. According to Azerbaijani sources, the massacre was committed by ethnic Armenian armed forces.
 
Some 613 civilians were killed in the massacre, according to the official death toll provided by Azerbaijani authorities.

Armenia has officially denied involvement in the killings.

 

Source: here

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8.       tunci
7149 posts
 13 Dec 2011 Tue 10:11 pm

 

Khojaly Genocide

 

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At night from February 25 to 26 in 1992 the Armenian armed forces occupied the town of Khojaly. The occupation was carried out with active support of several units of the Russian Army´s 366th regiment.

Occupation of Khojaly was followed with unprecedented brutalities against the civilian population. In a few hours the aggressors killed 613 innocent and unarmed people. Among them were 106 women, 83 children. 56 people were killed with special brutality. 8 families were totally exterminated. 25 children were totally, and 130 children were partly orphaned. 476 people became disabled persons (of them 76 were minors). 1275 people were taken into hostage and even though afterwards most of the hostages were released from captivity, the fates of 150 of them are still unknown.
For more info ; http://khojaly.org
 
 

9.       tunci
7149 posts
 13 Dec 2011 Tue 10:31 pm

 

I wonder , when will the state of Armenia apologize for Khojalı Massacre that happened in 1992 ?

It didnt happen 100 years ago...! May be we should make more people know about this tragic event that happened only 19 years ago from now.

 



Edited (12/13/2011) by tunci

10.       lemon
1374 posts
 13 Dec 2011 Tue 10:40 pm

Mr.Thunder,

Just wanted to make sure if the download material on the website you link in your post is safe? free from bugs?

Quoting Mr.Thunder

In 1915 , Turkey was fighting against Russia which invaded the Eastern Anatolian region of Turkey.  In Van the Armenian militias made a genocide of Turks and Kurds and established an Armenian government there.

 

The Russian General Leonid Bolhovitinovâ sent reports to his headquarters in Russia. These documents were found in the RUssian military archives. As an eye witness to the events He tells the 1915 events ! 

 

Watch the video presentation his report.

 

http://www.archive.org/details/RussianBrigadierGeneralLeonidBolhovitinovsReportAboutBarbaritiesBy

 

Apart from this Russian General , The British intelligence officer Major E.W.C Noel also sent reports from Eastern Anatolia to his government. He tells that the Armenians definitly LIED and tried to fool the whole world although they themselves massacred Turks and Kurds !! His reports were found and quoted by Professor Mim Kemal Öke in his book with British Archives documentation codes and registry numbers. etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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