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American Torturer is a Hero at Home
1.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 18 Aug 2009 Tue 02:10 am

POINTING crudely at the genitals of a naked, hooded Iraqi, the petite brunette with a cigarette hanging from her lips epitomised America´s shame over revelations US soldiers routinely tortured inmates at Abu Ghraib jail near Baghdad.


Lynndie England, 21, a rail worker´s daughter, comes from a trailer park in Fort Ashby, West Virginia, which locals proudly call "a backwoods world".

She faces a court martial, but at home she is toasted as a hero.


At the dingy Corner Club Saloon they think she has done nothing wrong.


"A lot of people here think they ought to just blow up the whole of Iraq," Colleen Kesner said.


"To the country boys here, if you´re a different nationality, a different race, you´re sub-human. That´s the way girls like Lynndie are raised.


"Tormenting Iraqis, in her mind, would be no different from shooting a turkey. Every season here you´re hunting something. Over there, they´re hunting Iraqis."


In Fort Ashby, in the isolated Appalachian mountains 260km west of Washington, the poor, barely-educated and almost all-white population talk openly about an active Ku Klux Klan presence.


There is little understanding of the issues in Iraq and less of why photographs showing soldiers from the 372nd Military Police Company, mostly from around Fort Ashby, abusing prisoners has caused a furore.


Like many, England signed up to make money and see the world. After her tour of duty, she planned to settle down and marry her first love, Charles Graner.


Down a dirt track at the edge of town, in the trailer where England grew up, her mother Terrie dismissed the allegations against her daughter as unfair.


"They were just doing stupid kid things, pranks. And what the Iraqis do to our men and women are just? The rules of the Geneva Convention, do they apply to everybody or just us?" she asked.


She said she didn´t know where her daughter was being held, but had spoken to her on the phone.


"She told me nothing happened which wasn´t ordered by higher up," she said.


"They are trying to pin all of this on the lower ranks. My daughter was just following orders. I think there´s a conspiracy. "


A colleague of Lynndie´s father said people in Fort Ashby were sick of the whingeing.


"We just had an 18-year-old from round here killed by the Iraqis," he said.


"We went there to help the jackasses and they started blowing us up. Lynndie didn´t kill ´em, she didn´t cut ´em up. She should have shot some of the suckers."


Six soldiers from the 372nd are facing court-martial.


The commander of the prison service in Iraq, Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski, 50, has been suspended from duty and is expected to be charged.


Colleagues of the tough, super-fit officer last night described her as a woman with one mission – to raise her own profile.


Sources also said soldiers at Abu Ghraib, where Saddam Hussein was held after his capture, were often drunk – including when the shocking pictures were taken.


One colleague said: "Janis sees herself as making way for women to get to the top in the US Army. But many of her soldiers said she had been promoted beyond her ability because she was a woman.


"She was out of her depth and on a mission to raise her own profile. Now, she ll be forced to quit.


"She should have been aware what her troops were doing, but she wasn´t."


Another soldier facing charges is Staff Sergeant Ivan Chip Frederick, 37, of Dillwyn, Virginia.


His father, Ivan Frederick, 76, said his son, an ex-prison guard, sent him a journal outlining the barbaric treatment of Iraqi PoWs.


He said his son was a scapegoat.


"He was unhappy with what he saw. There is no way Chip would do these things unless he was ordered to do," Mr Frederick said.


Pentagon officials have confirmed that other alleged incidents of torture under Brig-General Karpinski´s regime were being investigated.


A military source said: "The word is that she was told it would be beneficial if the prisoners were willing to talk.


"Let´s just say a blind eye was turned to certain events."


dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story.jsp?sectionid=1258&storyid=1302907

2.       libralady
5152 posts
 19 Aug 2009 Wed 02:50 pm

Why post such old news??  Who is really interested in this half wit of a person...........



Edited (8/19/2009) by libralady

3.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 02:50 am

 

Quoting libralady

Why post such old news??  Who is really interested in this half wit of a person...........

 

what makes it "old news". is this torturer still considered a hero in America? She is.

 

Did she get away with the crimes she carried out. She did.

 

so why is it old news?

4.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 03:52 am

Why is it that you decry "Christian" or "Western" media at every chance you get and yet you use it as a source anytime you find something in it that is anti-west?   And I have to wonder....do you believe everything you read that is leaning toward your point of view?

 

This woman is no hero in the US.   If  there are a handful of people who support her and what she did that doesn´t mean that the bulk of the people here do.  You can find people who support the 9/11 attacks, you can find people who support racism, you can find people who support any ugly event or belief you want to look at.

 

Seriously...what is your aim here? 

 

5.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 10:00 am

 

Quoting girleegirl

Why is it that you decry "Christian" or "Western" media at every chance you get and yet you use it as a source anytime you find something in it that is anti-west?

 

 

 

no problem, here is a news about this torturer from milliyet. I wonder if you`ll understand a word

 

 

 

Dünyanýn kanýný donduran o fotoðraflarýn ortaya çýkmasýndan 6 yýl sonra, o fotoðraflarda bütün utanmazlýðýný sergileyen kadýn yeniden ortaya çýktý ve þok bir itirafta bulundu. “Neden piþman olacakmýþým?” dedi ve Ebu Garib’te çekilmilþ 800 “hatýra fotoðrafýnýn” daha olduðunu itiraf etti.
Adý Lynndie England. Bu fotoðraf çekildiðinde henüz 21 yaþýndaydý. Yani genç bir kýzdý. Buna raðmen yaptýklarýyla dünyanýn kanýný dondurdu. Dünyanýn lanetlediði kadýn Lynndie England þimdi yine ortaya çýktý. Bu kez, hayat hikayesini anlatan otobiyografik kitabýyla...

“NEDEN PÝÞMAN OLACAKMIÞIM?”
Ýngiliz Daily Mail gazetesi, David Jones imzalý haberde, England’ýn 6 yýl sonra, tek bir piþmanlýk sözcüðü söylemediðini vurgulayarak, Baðdat’taki Ebu Garib cezaevinde Iraklýlara yaptýklarý konusunda duygularý sorulunca “Neden piþman olacakmýþým? Onlar düþmanlarýmýzdý” sözleriyle, en az o fotoðraflarla þoke ettiði kadar yeniden þoke etti ve bir kadýnýn bu denli sadist duygulara sahip olmasý bir kez daha þaþýrttý. O fotoðraflarý “hatýra” olsun diye çektiklerini de söyleyen England “Elimde 800 tane daha var” dedi.

 

http://www.milliyet.com.tr/default.aspx?aType=SonDakika&ArticleID=1106455

 

Quote:

This woman is no hero in the US.   If  there are a handful of people who support her and what she did that doesn´t mean that the bulk of the people here do.  You can find people who support the 9/11 attacks, you can find people who support racism, you can find people who support any ugly event or belief you want to look at.

 

Seriously...what is your aim here? 

 

 

If that is the case why does your christian media report about `muslim terrorists` everyday. because all the muslims are terrorists? what is their aim?

6.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 05:29 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

If that is the case why does your christian media report about `muslim terrorists` everyday. because all the muslims are terrorists? what is their aim?

 

 Oh tam-tam you think you are so clever!   Deflection is a sneaky little tool (hmmmm that seems so appropriate!) but I´m much smarter than that!  Answer my questions then I will answer yours.  Laugh at

 

7.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 07:06 pm

 

Quoting girleegirl

 

 Oh tam-tam you think you are so clever!   Deflection is a sneaky little tool (hmmmm that seems so appropriate!) but I´m much smarter than that!  Answer my questions then I will answer yours.  Laugh at

 

 

I can assure you that I`m much more clever than you, plus I`m not menopausal. <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast) If you were clever enough, you could have seen that it was an answer to your question.

8.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 25 Aug 2009 Tue 07:18 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

I can assure you that I`m much more clever than you, plus I`m not menopausal. <img src='/static/images/smileys//lol.gif' alt='lol'> (fast) If you were clever enough, you could have seen that it was an answer to your question.

 

 You can assure me???  Now THAT is funny!!!   

Oh and I guess it´s time for me to post my daily update for you.  By the way...will you post one alerting us so we will know when your balls finally drop?  Laugh at

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