hahaha you said "minority of christians"? please look up the phrase "islamic world" on google and see how that phrase is used by all your media, politicians and the rest of the christians. Sorry but you messed up badly. Bye.

oh really? likewise some Kurds have problems with our laws that ban killing daughters and wives, stealing, extortion, and rasing terrorists. and since when the continuous abuse and rape of children in the hands of their christian fathers or priests equal to "one incident"?

read carefully I said a minorety of christians meaning a minorety of christians amongst other christian. I did not say that christians were a minority, I said that a small group of christians are making the rest look bad so interprate it the way you like you are no better than those idiots that take pride in being bigots and racists because you do not take the time to listen or to understand what others are saying.

You seem to think that people are out to get you or put yo udown and have to show your superiorety by putting others down.  You cannot have a rationnal conversation with someone?

If you need soo much to provoke people you are doing a good job.

Oh and what is the use to keep trying to have a conversation with you since you seem to be always right.

am I bigot by your standards then I must be an infidel also because I am not muslim and do not pray to allah, so I might as well keep to my sinful western ways and not hurt your eyes by my presence

does "minorety" mean minority in the hillbilly language? where did I say that the "christians are minority"?
FYI. It was one of your christian fellows who turned the topic into this, not me.
and it`s not a small group of christians that look you bad. Just because you are ashamed of it doesn`t make it less true that most of the christians hate us. aren`t we infidels for you christians as we don`t pray your godot? and no we don`t consider you infidels because "infidel" is a biblical christian word which describes us, non-christian sinners who will end up in your godot`s hell.



Edited (9/18/2010) by Arafta

spot on!

I think I remember that..If I am not wrong, I said, "possibly it is true." Though 1 in 4 houses is a bit suspicious..

But when you read the newspapers, the turkish newspapers, OMG, what the heck is that!! I mean the rape cases/incest cases we hear in the western counties are almost nothing!! What we are seeing in Turkish papers are mainly the incidents hapenning in the west part of Turkey which is relatively more modern comparing to the east of Turkey (they are not Kurds!!)

Spot on!!!!  

ha ha ha

we don´t hear about rape/incest cases in the  West, because by the time the kids are old enough to have sex they are sleeping around like mad anyway.  A German teeny magazine recently put teeny sized condoms into their supplement, because they said the adult condoms are too big for the 12-year-olds!  There is little need for incest, if sex is so freely available.  

when i was a student my university professor told us we should visit the Springfield ( Missouri) shopping mall on a Saturday morning, and we´ll observe the results of inbreeding quite nicely, he said if the Ozark Hillbillies don´t bother their sisters, then they´ll go for their cows! 

My point is this---incest is always a problem in thinly populated, rural areas, or in extremely repressive societies. It is also more likely in large, extended families. When my uncle tried it on with me, his daughter simply said: ´That pig will do it with anyone if he is drunk!´ We learned to avoid such situations, it was part of growing up and knowing not to trust adults.   

So i believe you that there may be a high rate of incest, whatever it may be, but it has nothing to do with being Turkish or Kurdish, but with the socio-economic background the family lives in.  

That was the point basically.

But however incest or which part of the world has the higher rate of incest should not have been a base of any argument in the first place..

But I agree about the idea that  "in repressive societies it is more common". 

I think at some stage, the point was honor killings and why they were  happening in arabic countries and mainly in islamic world..

It will be a bit difficult to come and say ´honor killings in the west are as common as in arabic countries or in Islamic world´. (I mean you can say it..but.. it will be a lie and you will know it is a lie!!!)

There is a truth, there is the problem we have to acknowledge first *acknowleding is the first step for solving this..* and then fight it..

Denial  wont be helping the future cases..

 "our" laws? Did I go to bed and wake up in a world where Kurdistan exists, with its own laws? Otherwise "your" laws are also the Kurds laws. They also vote in election, and are also responsible for "your" laws.

Arafta, stop posting these provocative messages and try to be respectful to other members. Please edit objectionable parts like "redneck"

Other members, please don´t answer provocative posts. This is not a fight between civilizations. This is a fight between persons. Turkishclass is our common platform. We are here to share and learn from one another. Don´t fall into the traps of fire starters.