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POLES AND TURKS
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1.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 09 Dec 2007 Sun 03:34 am

This anectode can be found in the website of Poland Embassy/Ankara.

In 1795 Austria, Russia and Prussia jointly shared Poland and erased this country from the map of Europe. The Ottoman Empire never accepted this fate for Poles.

The following routine became standard procedure in High Ottoman Court for the next 127 years: Whenever Sublime Porte had a meeting with foreign Embassadors, he would deliberately delay the kick-off, call his Grand Vezier and ask him (out loud) where the Polish delegation was. The Vezier, into the Sultan"s ear, but in a tone that everyone heard would say, "they are on their way, but may be a little delayed due to some minor problems". This ritual was repeated for 127 years, until Poland was resurrected after WWI.

The first European country ever to recognize the young Republic of Turkey, after Turkish War of Independence against the rest of Europe, was Republic of Poland.

2.       catwoman
8933 posts
 09 Dec 2007 Sun 04:12 am

Hahahah, how nice that you take special interest in Poland. lol
I'm just wondering - did the Ottomans not recognize the partition because they wanted to invade Europe themselves? (thank god that king Jan III Sobieski stopped them in Vienna in 1683, which broke the advance of the Ottoman Empire into Europe and marked the turning point in the 300-year struggle between the forces of the Central European kingdoms and the Ottomans).

3.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 09 Dec 2007 Sun 04:31 am

The Poles themselves must have missed your point.

4.       catwoman
8933 posts
 09 Dec 2007 Sun 06:13 am

Quoting AlphaF:

The Poles themselves must have missed your point.


Nah, they are smarter then you, I'm sure they got it. lol

5.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 09 Dec 2007 Sun 09:44 am

Mr. Alfred Bilinski was another Pole who made his way into Turkish history.

6.       kafesteki kus
0 posts
 09 Dec 2007 Sun 10:47 am

A bit obsolete,but still worth having a look at


http://www.polonya.org.tr/adampol_yuskel_demirel.html
one sentence made me smile"we will never make the same mistake again" lol

7.       kafesteki kus
0 posts
 09 Dec 2007 Sun 11:03 am


http://bruxelles.blogs.liberation.fr/ksiazka2.pdf
civilisations at war in Europe,p.18
good essay but time consuming

8.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 09 Dec 2007 Sun 11:28 am

9.       vineyards
1954 posts
 09 Dec 2007 Sun 11:54 am

Who cares by whom the Polish want to be invaded by? I wouldn't care less if Poland was a part of Germany or some other country.

I guess you Poles prefer this tone which bears no unnecessary special interest in Poland.

10.       kafesteki kus
0 posts
 09 Dec 2007 Sun 11:57 am

Quoting AlphaF:

Mr. Alfred Bilinski was another Pole who made his way into Turkish history.


Which Biliński Alfred do you mean?There were plenty of them.One even a traitor of his nation...what a shame,another a well known miner,well I guess you mean Ahmed Rustem bey lol

http://www.boyutpedia.com/default~ID~1447~aID~63491~link~ahmed_rustem_bey_(alfred_rustem).html

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