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??? te?ekkürler OR te?ekkür ederim
1.       christine_usa
284 posts
 16 Aug 2006 Wed 10:12 pm

I just began my official study of Turkish. My audio CD and book use: te?ekkürler for "thank you",

But in Turkey I learned: te?ekkür ederim

Which is correct? Are there certain people/situations I should adjust for?

I know it's basic- but I'm starting at the beginning

thanks,
Christine

2.       derya
1360 posts
 16 Aug 2006 Wed 10:17 pm


Hi Christine,

I see you are getting started!Go girl!
`Teshekkur ederim` is literally `Thank you!` and generally sounds more polite than `Teshekkurler!` which is `Thanks!`.There is not a basic rule to use one of them in a situation,I noticed that some people just prefer one of them more..Or maybe the Turkish members think different.lets see..
Greetings

3.       christine_usa
284 posts
 16 Aug 2006 Wed 10:20 pm

Thanks Denitsa,

Next chapter and I will be learning to order food properly!

4.       CANLI
5084 posts
 16 Aug 2006 Wed 10:20 pm


Both are correct,

Teşekkürler...like many thanks
Teşekkür ederim....like İ thank You

We don't use ederim with Teşekkürler notice it is plural

And can also use

Çok Teşekkür...as in lots of thanks too

But again we don't use it with ederim,it gives a meaning of plural too

Correction pls,if needed

5.       erdinc
2151 posts
 17 Aug 2006 Thu 12:24 am

This issue is actually a very simple issue but very simple things can be very educational at the same time. Also the best way to study a topic is to do it when you have questions in mind. Since you had a question about "teşekkürler" and "teşekkür ederim" I think you will remember all details that you learn related to them and in
fact these details don't need to be very limited.

Teşekkürler, Thanks:
"Teşekkür" is a noun and means "thank". The -ler suffix in "teşekkürler" is the plural suffix in Turkish so we have "thanks", the plural form with the -ler suffix.

The Plural Suffix:
The plural suffix has two versions, -ler and -lar. In Turkish we have eight vowels whihc are a,e,ı,i,o,ö,u,ü. Four of them are back vowels: a,ı,o,u. Four of them are front vowels: e,i,ö,ü.

Some suffixes have four version. For instance the past tense suffix has four versions: -dı,di,du,dü. There is a simple rule with four version suffixes but you will see this later on. Some suffixes have only two versions. For instance the plural suffix has only two versions: -lar and -ler. The rules is very simple. If a noun's last vowel is a front vowel you use the -ler version and if it is a back vowel you use the -lar version. This is called minor vowel harmony which means that front vowels and back vowels match with their own kind. This vowel harmony issue is the reason why we apply -ler or -lar in these examples:

teşekkür > teşekkürler
doktor > doktorlar
domates > domatesler
televizyon > televizyonlar
telefon > telefonlar

Remember, the last vowel counts. e,i,ö,ü is followed by their own type (-ler) and a,ı,o,u is followed by their own type (-lar).

There are other suffixes with two versions only. These work exactly the same way as the plural suffix. For instance the infinitive suffix has only two versions : -mak, -mek and the negative suffix has two versions as well -me, -ma. Again you follow exactly the same vowel harmony rules for them.
oku (read) > okumak (to read)
gel (come) > gelmek (to come)
sev (love) > sevmek (to love)

gel (come) > gelme (don't come)

Teşekkür Ederim, Thank You:
"ederim" is an auxiliary (helping) verb. The infinitive is "etmek" which is close in meaning to "to do" or "to make". It helps to build verb versions from nouns. For instance "teşekkür" (thank) is a noun and "teşekkür etmek" (to thank) is the verb version. "Dans" (dance) is a noun and "dans etmek" is the verb version.

There are 16 auxiliary verbs in Turkish. Etmek is the most common one and it is followed by yapmak and olmak, vermek etc.

The -im in ederim is the personal suffix for first person singular. Since we understand the person from personal suffixes in Turkish in most cases the personal pronouns can be dropped. So instead saying "Ben teşekkür ederim" you can say "Teşekkür ederim". The literal translation for both would be "I thank you". The -er in ederim is the Simple Present Tense suffix. For instance "teşekkür ediyorum" has a different tense suffix wich is the -iyor Present Continuous Tense suffix but of course the formar is much more common.

As mentione "ed + er + im" has the personal suffix at the end, the tense suffix before it and the verb stem in front. If we drop the infinitive suffix from a verb, "etmek" in this case, we get the verb stem. Here is should be "et" but instead it is "ed" because of a consonant mutation rule. According this rule the voices consonants p,ç,t,k change to unvoiced consonants b,c,d,g when they are followed by a vowel. As you see in etmek the t isn't followed by a vowel but in ederim it is and therefore it has canged to d.

I think hereby I have covered all possible grammar topics related to the two words you mentioned.

As for your original question, the answer was very simple. No, there is no difference.

Erdinç

6.       EmmaUfuk
36 posts
 19 Aug 2006 Sat 08:05 pm

Erdinç, you are so amazing!!! thank you for the explanation!! it contains most of the questions i had in mind about Turkish grammar!!!

you have no idea how helpful you've been!! Thank you!!!

7.       IZMIR060406
194 posts
 20 Aug 2006 Sun 04:59 pm

Oh I completely agree ... Erdinç has all the answers we are looking for here Thank you too !!!

İt makes even more sense now.

JOANNE


8.       SineNomine
81 posts
 20 Aug 2006 Sun 05:00 pm

Quoting EmmaUfuk:

Erdinç, you are so amazing!!!


Evet - Erdinc is amazing and we are very very lucky to have him

9.       IZMIR060406
194 posts
 20 Aug 2006 Sun 05:03 pm

İ WİLL SECOND THAT !!!

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