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Dolaylı Anlatım ...
1.       CANLI
5084 posts
 17 Dec 2006 Sun 05:08 am

Dolaylı Anlatım 'Emir Kipi'

Does anyone know what is it ?
İs it like reported speach ?

İts form like this,

Olumlu,
Eylem + mA + iyilik eki + 'n' I söyle-,emret-,iste-,rica et-

Olumsuz,
Eylem + mA + mA + iyilik eki + 'n' I söyle-,emret-,iste-,rica et-

İ don't understand,what is the 'mA' in the olumlu form,isn't it the negative suffix ?
And the 'I' is the causative case,or what ?!

İts a bit confusing,would appreciated if anyone explained it,and can give some examples too.

2.       aslan2
507 posts
 17 Dec 2006 Sun 09:34 am

Quoting CANLI:

Dolaylı Anlatım 'Emir Kipi'

Does anyone know what is it ?
İs it like reported speach ?

İts form like this,

Olumlu,
Eylem + mA + iyilik eki + 'n' I söyle-,emret-,iste-,rica et-

Olumsuz,
Eylem + mA + mA + iyilik eki + 'n' I söyle-,emret-,iste-,rica et-

İ don't understand,what is the 'mA' in the olumlu form,isn't it the negative suffix ?
And the 'I' is the causative case,or what ?!

İts a bit confusing,would appreciated if anyone explained it,and can give some examples too.


It's infinitive of course. Actually one form is enough.

Eylem+mA+iyilik eki+(n)ı söyle-,emret-,iste-,rica et-

Eylem can be anything (olumlu or olumsuz)
gel = come
gelme = not come

gel-mesini söyledim
I told her/him to come

gelme-mesini söyledim
I told her/him to not come
or
I told her/him not to come


gel-memi istedi
S/He wanted me to come

gelme-memi istedi
S/He wanted me to not come
or
S/He wanted me not to come

And yes, the reds are accusative.

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3.       CANLI
5084 posts
 18 Dec 2006 Mon 12:25 am

Ohhhh,thank you Aslan2,
Then mA is part of the structure,not the nagative.
But what does it mean then ?

4.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 18 Dec 2006 Mon 12:34 am

Quoting CANLI:

Ohhhh,thank you Aslan2,
Then mA is part of the structure,not the nagative.
But what does it mean then ?



gelmek = to come
gelme = the coming (as a noun, derived from a verb).

So to this verbal noun you can add iyelik ekleri and ismin i-hali.

At least this is what I understand form it

5.       CANLI
5084 posts
 18 Dec 2006 Mon 12:42 am

Ahhh,you mean this mA is for the short infinitive form ?
Verb root + ma,me

Doğru mu ?

6.       aslan2
507 posts
 18 Dec 2006 Mon 02:24 pm

Quoting CANLI:

Ahhh,you mean this mA is for the short infinitive form ?
Verb root + ma,me

Doğru mu ?


doğru

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