In my opinion, whether somebody believes in something or not is his totally private thing. If somebody's beliefs are honest they are right.

it is easy to believe in things that are convenient, bring pleasure, don't require much effort or self-discipline. especially in today's world of consumers, there are less and less moral authorities which caused a trend of moral laziness. it's much more difficult to impose restrictions on ourselves without any immediate or apparent gratification when these things are not considered as social values.

Anyways, this is not the subject of this class. Just thought it was interesting .

As I said before, it's a personal thing, also about bringing up children. Andu think that western world is spoiles somehow, but the terrorist who killed so many people in WTC weren't members of that horrible western society...

But, according to what u have written, it's not the topic of this discussion. Duskahvesi asked about death.

I'm not trying to prove anything, but you did not understand my point .

I am sorry, this thread started well, and it was going pretty good with various points of views. However, people suddenly started to get thins personal, and defend themselves by assaulting the others. The last posting by Seticio, made me write this message. Seticio, are you aware of the fact that your message is putting over 1 billion people all over the world under shade. First of all it has not been proved that the people that you are referring to were responsible of killing mant innovent people in WTC, except the completely undamaged passports so-claimed found in the ashes of the WTC. Secondly, let's assume that the speculated people are really the ones responsible for this tragedy. Then, is it enough to judge the large community of people (that includes also Turkish people) they belong to, and accuse them of with this attack? If we are to assess the cultures, or communities by such exceptional individual members, then we need to call all German people Nazi, because of what Hitler did. Moreover, Oklahoma bomber was an American killing around 200 people at once, so does it make sense to regard all Americans as potential attackers? no, no, no... I do not want to take anything personal, but if people discuss something they should take into account the implications of what they say. Otherwise, it is hard to find a rational or logical ground for people to share their ideas. This is really sad to see how easily people tend to label large group of people with any mean they have without caring much about the nature of human being as an individual..I am sorry but I could not find a place to put such an argument into my conscience, or reasoning.
Selamlar,

This is true. I'm not claiming that the whole civilization or that all people are bad (why would anyone say that???). What I meant was that people should become more sensitive about moral questions because the more comfortable lifes we can live the more lazy we get about working on our values system.

I didn't mean to judge or accuse anyone. I jus wanted to point that people's value doesn't depend on whether they believe in sth or not or on what the kind of their beliefs is.It also doesn't depend on what society they belong to. The true value of a person depends on himself, on his humanity. I'm sorry, maybe my words were too pungent.

i couldnt read all the participations in this parts about death
but i like to tell what i think about death
i think that what is worse than when i die is that when someone close to me die befor few days we lost a friend in the college he was dead u cant imagine the shok that happened to us i cant imagine how did his mother felt especially he is the only son for his family.

Alyya,

I am sorry that you lost your friend and sorry for his family's loss also.

We may not have experienced the loss of a loved one, but of course we all will at some time or another. The important thing to remember I think is that whatever religion you are, whatever you believe and even if, like me you don't believe,everyone should be remembered by someone for something good that they did and everyone should not die without having had someone love them. To love people and yourself and do good for others whenever you can is so important. If you can say as you yourself are dying that you did the best you could with the life that you had then I think you can die with a good conscience and wait and see what happens afterwards.