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about a person who has the best charisma...
1.       duskahvesi
858 posts
 10 Apr 2005 Sun 08:20 pm

do u know any person has charisma?
Why do u think he/she has charisma?
and what is the charisma?

2.       Seticio
550 posts
 10 Apr 2005 Sun 08:51 pm

I knew only two persons who had charisma. One of them is dead, but even after death this man was alble to gather different people of different nationalities, religions and from different coutries in the world. he was respected by everyone and he was listened to by everyone.

3.       guzel kiz
0 posts
 11 Apr 2005 Mon 12:10 pm

I know several people who have charisma. These people are guys and girls, so charisma does not seem to have a particular gender preference. I think it is a gift that one gets at birth. There are different gifts like physical beauty, outstanding intelligence, or special talents like being able to create music or poetry… We do not ask these people why they are that way, we know they just were born that way. The same is with people who have charisma. I do not think it is an acquired personal quality. Person can be extremely sweet but you do not always define her or him as a person who has charisma. He or she can be pretty and nice and you still do not call them a charismatic person.
I know people who are not particularly physically attractive and may not always be too nice in their conversation, but they still draw people with their charisma. It is a strange and fascinating quality. Maybe someone has a scientific explanation?

4.       dwyk
6 posts
 12 Apr 2005 Tue 01:50 am

My understanding of cha·ris·ma (kə-rĭz'mə n., pl. -ma·ta (-mə-tə. A rare personal quality attributed to leaders who arouse fervent popular devotion and enthusiasm.
Personal magnetism or charm: a television news program famed for the charisma of its anchors.
Christianity. An extraordinary power, such as the ability to perform miracles, granted by the Holy Spirit.
[Greek kharisma, divine favor, from kharizesthai, to favor, from kharis, favor.]

Love to you all
David

5.       dwyk
6 posts
 12 Apr 2005 Tue 01:54 am

i.e. Winston Churchill to the British people, Adolf Hitler to the German people.

6.       Erdem
0 posts
 12 Apr 2005 Tue 09:49 pm

Thanks Dwyk;
You have written its meaning in 3 different ways
I prefer writing general meaning of charisma

“A special power which some people posses naturally which makes them able to influence other people and attract their admiration and attention. “

According to this definition, charisma might be believed to be a gift given by God. However, I don’t think charismatic people have their charisma as soon as they are born. In my opinion, Charisma is a kind of skill. Because it is impossible to be born as a charismatic, musician, artist or a leader, in contrast to this definition, charisma like the other skills is gained depending on what you experienced and worked on. When we are born, what we have is only a “Tabula Rasa”
““Tabula rasa (Latin: "scraped tablet", though often translated "blank slate") is the notion that individual human beings are born "blank" (with no built-in mental content), and that their identity is defined entirely by events after birth.””

As to people having charisma, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, founder of the Modern Turkish Republic, is the most charismatic person I have ever seen.

7.       guzel kiz
0 posts
 12 Apr 2005 Tue 10:20 pm

Refering to Erdem's messege, I agree that people are born "blank", but there is such thing as genes, which are responsible for a lot of characteristics that a future grown up person will have. Of course we learn a lot through our experiences but certain people will posess certain characteristics no metter what conditions they are brought up in. Surely musicians are not born, but at the same time a person who practeces singing will not necesserily become as talanted as, let's say ,Tarkan is. I don't know, maybe charisma is something that any person can aquire, and if there is a manual on "how to gain charisma" and if it really works, i think it would become a bestseller. I still have a hard time believing that charisma is the result of the person's experiences.

8.       Lyndie
968 posts
 13 Apr 2005 Wed 02:44 am

I agree with the view that charisma is something you possess naturally and are born with, but the experiences of life will develop it.

9.       Erdem
0 posts
 13 Apr 2005 Wed 08:59 pm

Hi friends,

I respect all your own ideas. However, I still think that charisma is not something you possess naturally or you are born with.

Dr.Tony Alessandra indicates that "I'm convinced that, contrary to popular wisdom, charisma is not something you're born with, like having blue eyes or brown eyes. Instead, I think our personalities consist, let's say, of a series of containers, like cups or glasses. Some are nearly empty, some brimming, yet others are partially filled to varying degrees. Together, they constitute our potential charisma."

"So, it's not a single ingredient that makes a person charismatic, and, more important, charisma isn't based on I.Q., genetics, social position, wealth, or luck. Instead, it can be learned."

you can find the whole article written by Dr.Tony Alessandra in the web site below

http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Alessandra1.html



10.       guzel kiz
0 posts
 14 Apr 2005 Thu 11:06 am

Psychologists are known for not agreeing with each other on a lot of metters, and not only psychologists,humans in general. But than this forum is just for expressing personal opinnion on the subject and it does not have to be in agreement with everybody or anybody else's opinion.
Thank you, Erdem, for providing the link, Dr.Alessandra's article makes a lot of sense, and I think if someone would dedicate a big portion of their life to aquiring charisma through continuous attending of workshops and conferences, following the books and manuals on the subject, probably he/she could eventually become a charismatic person, or at least to improve their charisma abilities to some extend. In general, I think a person should be developing those talants first, which have some beginning instead of spending too much time on another talant that is not that person's natural quality.
We appreciate people not only for their degree of charisma, there are a lot of great qualities that make each person unique and intersting, charisma is just one of many.

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