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"Just who is a 'typical' Turkish woman?"
1.       juliacernat
424 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 08:58 am

"Recently I was contacted to help a TV talk show, based in the US but airing globally, locate mothers around the world for an upcoming show.

They wanted to find out about the lives of these women. While contacting Turkish mothers I started thinking about the image of Turkish women. Who, I wondered, would be able to give the best and most accurate reflection? A woman from İstanbul, arguably the most Westernized city in the country? Or is the face of Turkish women a mother from a small town or rural village?

As I went through my contact list I found a wide variety of women with a mix of personal, religious and professional differences. I know many working mothers, juggling home and job. There are also many stay-at-home moms, some content with doing so, others waiting for the chance to re-enter the workforce. Some would be indistinguishable from any other woman in the West, following the latest fashions and trends. Others more modest dressers, many never without a headscarf, who may fit more of the image of Turkish women found in the West. And what of village women, toiling in the fields? Are they too not the face of Turkish women?

Using my circle of acquaintances as a sample group, surprisingly, I found that some friends who wear headscarves are much more liberal in their political and social views than others who would never dream of covering up, much less entering a mosque. Turkish women do not fit any specific mold. But then do women anywhere? In every country there are extremes of dress, attitudes and values. How do we arrive at our basic assumptions about women of a given country? How do we find one person to represent an entire country’s culture, much less a country comprised of many cultures blended together?

In the end I left the decision of who, if anyone, would be chosen for the show to the producer’s discretion. I gave her several contacts with differing backgrounds and values. The face of Turkish mothers is a composite: modern, traditional, educated, illiterate, stay at home, toiling in the office or field, covered or not, conservative, liberal and middle of the road. All of these are the faces of the women here.

From a seemingly simple request to help find a spokeswoman, I discovered that the face of the Turkish woman is still evolving. From the ancient goddess cults to hip, mini-skirted executives, we are still in the process of defining that image".


Kathy Zamilton, Today's Zaman, 27.03.2007

2.       dockit
83 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 11:57 am

HELLO....

What an excellent piece of writing!
Very well put, and point well taken!

Thanks for that little "brain food" which allows all of us to take at look and things we tend to overlook.

Let us know when and where the program shows, as it would be exciting to see how the producers handled the information given them!

Thanks,
Dockit

3.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 12:01 pm

Will they air it in the UK?

4.       leander
44 posts
 27 Mar 2007 Tue 09:05 pm

Kathy Zamilton wasted her breath in vain.As usual, the one from a godforsaken village in rural Turkey ( preferably a buttugly,covered,poor and illeterate one) will be shown as the 'typical turkish' woman Or an islamist one with a headscarf,at best.Some things never change.I have yet to see any balanced and somewhat accurate picture of Turkey being drawn in any western production.

5.       catwoman
8933 posts
 28 Mar 2007 Wed 01:15 am

Quoting leander:

Kathy Zamilton wasted her breath in vain.As usual, the one from a godforsaken village in rural Turkey ( preferably a buttugly,covered,poor and illeterate one) will be shown as the 'typical turkish' woman Or an islamist one with a headscarf,at best.Some things never change.I have yet to see any balanced and somewhat accurate picture of Turkey being drawn in any western production.



So I wonder how would you portray "a woman" from a certain culture? I haven't seen what they actually did in this program, but I think one of the points of the original article was that it's practically impossible to truly reflect the complexity of a certain culture. At the end, you have to settle for what sticks out most as compared to others. And that's gonna be the case for anybody, not just Turkish women.

6.       leander
44 posts
 28 Mar 2007 Wed 03:58 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting leander:

Kathy Zamilton wasted her breath in vain.As usual, the one from a godforsaken village in rural Turkey ( preferably a buttugly,covered,poor and illeterate one) will be shown as the 'typical turkish' woman Or an islamist one with a headscarf,at best.Some things never change.I have yet to see any balanced and somewhat accurate picture of Turkey being drawn in any western production.



So I wonder how would you portray 'a woman' from a certain culture? I haven't seen what they actually did in this program, but I think one of the points of the original article was that it's practically impossible to truly reflect the complexity of a certain culture. At the end, you have to settle for what sticks out most as compared to others. And that's gonna be the case for anybody, not just Turkish women.




How i would portray 'a woman' from Turkey?
Deffinately NOT the way i described above, which apears quite often in western media.Or do you think that picture is really representative of whole Turkey?And it's not like those journalist really dunno what makes an ordinary turkish woman.
But for 'some reason' they prefer to highlight the most marginal examples, especially the ones that have a severe element of backwardness,poverty and/or islamist extremism in them and present them as if they are representative of all turkish women.
A journalist must reflect things AS THEY ARE , and not compose some an unreal 'orientalist' atmosphere, that only exsists in westerners imagination.If a country has different life styles,cultures etc in it, the journalist/media has an obligation to either reflect all that variety and diversity to draw an accurate picture to their reaedrs/viewers, or if he/she has to show just one model it has to be the most common one.And deffinately not someone wearing a chador (kara peçe) like this one for instance, that was published in TIME magazine some time ago while reporting about women in Turkey.
http://www.wereldreis.tv/pics/iran/chadordieven.jpg

Now, is that a representative picture of Turkish women? I live in Istanbul, which is very much representative of Turkey, since it gets massive migration from all over Turkey, yet i've seen a women that dresses like this only 3 or 4 times in my life, in a city with 20 million population.
Similar compositions about turkish women can be seen on many other western media/publications.
No wonder foreigners call Turkey 'Best kept secret' after coming here for the first time.

It really doesn't take a 'long research by a sociolog' to get the picture of an ordinary turkish woman. Just go to a crowded street in Turkey, look around and talk to people.You'll get an idea.

But how come , likes of these are the ONLY pics one gets to see about turkish women in the west ;

http://www.oprev.org/Oct99/turkwoman.jpg

http://www.rps.psu.edu/turkey/graphics/turkey14_enlarge.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39169000/jpg/_39169787_crying_200x245_afp.jpg

http://www.flowerphotographer.net/roth/attributes/bigimages/turkish_woman.jpg

When in fact streets of Turkey look like these ;

http://www.worldturkey.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=4853&sessionid=3d787561d711c47ce4b99ce909cfb514

http://www.worldturkey.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=5006&sessionid=69eea877099f2e1a30b0df6798fbea8e

http://www.worldturkey.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=4828&sessionid=3d787561d711c47ce4b99ce909cfb514

http://www.worldturkey.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=4816&sessionid=3d787561d711c47ce4b99ce909cfb514

7.       Trudy
7887 posts
 28 Mar 2007 Wed 06:50 pm

Quoting leander:

But how come , likes of these are the ONLY pics one gets to see about turkish women in the west



Easy to answer, it sells better because it is so different from the views people in (some) western countries see in their dayly life. And I know that there are many pictures in western countries that show otherwise, but those are taken by not-narrow minded people. That's all.

8.       catwoman
8933 posts
 29 Mar 2007 Thu 03:15 am

Quoting leander:

How i would portray 'a woman' from Turkey?
Deffinately NOT the way i described above, which apears quite often in western media.Or do you think that picture is really representative of whole Turkey?And it's not like those journalist really dunno what makes an ordinary turkish woman.
But for 'some reason' they prefer to highlight the most marginal examples, especially the ones that have a severe element of backwardness,poverty and/or islamist extremism in them and present them as if they are representative of all turkish women.
A journalist must reflect things AS THEY ARE , and not compose some an unreal 'orientalist' atmosphere, that only exsists in westerners imagination.If a country has different life styles,cultures etc in it, the journalist/media has an obligation to either reflect all that variety and diversity to draw an accurate picture to their reaedrs/viewers, or if he/she has to show just one model it has to be the most common one.And deffinately not someone wearing a chador (kara peçe) like this one for instance, that was published in TIME magazine some time ago while reporting about women in Turkey.
http://www.wereldreis.tv/pics/iran/chadordieven.jpg

Now, is that a representative picture of Turkish women? I live in Istanbul, which is very much representative of Turkey, since it gets massive migration from all over Turkey, yet i've seen a women that dresses like this only 3 or 4 times in my life, in a city with 20 million population.
Similar compositions about turkish women can be seen on many other western media/publications.
No wonder foreigners call Turkey 'Best kept secret' after coming here for the first time.

It really doesn't take a 'long research by a sociolog' to get the picture of an ordinary turkish woman. Just go to a crowded street in Turkey, look around and talk to people.You'll get an idea.



I completely understand your point. I was actually shocked when I went to Turkey that most women weren't covered up, they were actually more liberal in dress style then the women I see here! There are many contrasts in Turkey, although I don't agree with you that Istanbul is representative of Turkey. Istanbul is more similar to the West then the rest of Turkey in the way people dress or behave. If you go outside of Istanbul it's not as similar.
I agree that the common representation of Turkish people create a stereotype that exaggerates the islamism and underestimates the liberalism of turkish culture. The same thing happens with all other stereotypes and simplistic depictions of various people and places.

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