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çağlayan meeting!!!
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29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:33 pm |
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Quoting azade:
Europe is pounding on Turkey to be kept as secular as possible. If you could tell me about how Gül should be religious to the extent that he threathens secularism in Turkey I would appreciate it, because he has never come off as extreme in his beliefs to me. |
People are afraid of what they dont know,even if it gives them their choices back !
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29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:35 pm |
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Ok thank you, do you have a link? I have searched for the article but there are like a zillion hits for it and several newspapers named something with "Times"
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29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:36 pm |
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Quoting armegon: Quoting azade: Quoting armegon: Quoting azade: From what I understand, Gül has a good reputation outside Turkey (they don't portray him as religious). Even though I know he is, he doesn't come off as religious in the things he say. So why are people against him running for president? |
Yes, we know all european countries and usa love these government...What a surprise, huh? Please learn his declarations against secular Republic first... |
Europe is pounding on Turkey to be kept as secular as possible. If you could tell me about how Gül should be religious to the extent that he threathens secularism in Turkey I would appreciate it, because he has never come off as extreme in his beliefs to me. |
i will give one example, i think that will be enough but if u want to learn more, search by yourself , u can find many declarations like this in 90's
"Secular Republic has come to an end" in Times in 1995 and also became a headline on newspaper Posta... |
it is not so easy to destroy secularism in Turkey...nobody can manage it..but when some politicians are try to hide their unsuccessful action,they start to talk about ''secularism''.Do u know why AKP was chosen??it was chosen coz of the parties such as ANAP,DYP and CHP...pll who were on todays meeting were are richer than others so what about poor ppl.they will again support Cem Uzan
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29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:40 pm |
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Quoting azade: Ok thank you, do you have a link? I have searched for the article but there are like a zillion hits for it and several newspapers named something with "Times" |
Not at the moment, but if u search the archives of Posta maybe u can find, today it was in peoples hand at the meeting today as a fotocopy of newspaper headline...
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29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:43 pm |
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Quoting armegon: Quoting azade: Ok thank you, do you have a link? I have searched for the article but there are like a zillion hits for it and several newspapers named something with "Times" |
Not at the moment, but if u search the archives of Posta maybe u can find, today it was in peoples hand at the meeting today as a fotocopy of newspaper headline... |
I'll try, thanks
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29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:46 pm |
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Good to see you back Lapinkulta .
You know armegon,im Muslim,wearing Hijab,and i want to visit Türkiye,and when i read things like what you say i think ,Ohh My God, what would do they with me when i go to Türkiye !
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29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:47 pm |
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Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting armegon: Quoting Trudy: What I understood from Todays Zaman story's and newspapers here is that Mr. Gül's party has enough members in parliament (350 of 550?) to change the Constitutional Law. Is that what people are afraid of?
And again, I'm not trying to get a political debate, I just want information. Maybe I see things wrongly, maybe my sources are biased? And who can inform me better than Turkish people themselves? |
Already the newspaper you had your news is also not a good and objective one i think. They can change Constitutional laws but not the first 4 but some attacks are made to these 4 law so people feel uncomfortable and protest,so millions of people had meeting today, people do not trust them in other words in all subjects but they continue to stay stubborn and continue to tense the people and public, people want compromise and election. |
I think zaman is one of the objective newspaper in Turkey.Nobody can change constitutional laws of Turkey which were done by Ataturk...AKP is on the right way but others are against to democrasy cos these goverment were chosen by public and have to show respect.so next election is already soon,and I think AKp will get more again...it is coz of todays protesters.
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Really? Yeah Zaman is the voice of AKP very objective... U think like that, remember the look of AKP to democracy, they say "Democracy is not aim, is only a vehicle"...How democratic we see...When u see only one party selected president of Republic in Republic history? We will see when the elections came, we know who is who...
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29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:49 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Good to see you back Lapinkulta .
You know armegon,im Muslim,wearing Hijab,and i want to visit Türkiye,and when i read things like what you say i think ,Ohh My God, what would do they with me when i go to Türkiye !
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Don't worry most turkish women wear or partly wear hijab, nobody would dream of harassing you 
Btw, is there a survey that says apprx. how many turkish women actually wear it?
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29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:49 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Good to see you back Lapinkulta .
You know armegon,im Muslim,wearing Hijab,and i want to visit Türkiye,and when i read things like what you say i think ,Ohh My God, what would do they with me when i go to Türkiye !
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Im back here but wont continue to this thread.But I have to say that we have respect to all pll..but u and all foreigner started to think again that Turkey is not democratic country
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29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:53 pm |
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Quoting armegon: Quoting Lapinkulta: Quoting armegon: Quoting Trudy: What I understood from Todays Zaman story's and newspapers here is that Mr. Gül's party has enough members in parliament (350 of 550?) to change the Constitutional Law. Is that what people are afraid of?
And again, I'm not trying to get a political debate, I just want information. Maybe I see things wrongly, maybe my sources are biased? And who can inform me better than Turkish people themselves? |
Already the newspaper you had your news is also not a good and objective one i think. They can change Constitutional laws but not the first 4 but some attacks are made to these 4 law so people feel uncomfortable and protest,so millions of people had meeting today, people do not trust them in other words in all subjects but they continue to stay stubborn and continue to tense the people and public, people want compromise and election. |
I think zaman is one of the objective newspaper in Turkey.Nobody can change constitutional laws of Turkey which were done by Ataturk...AKP is on the right way but others are against to democrasy cos these goverment were chosen by public and have to show respect.so next election is already soon,and I think AKp will get more again...it is coz of todays protesters.
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Really? Yeah Zaman is the voice of AKP very objective... U think like that, remember the look of AKP to democracy, they say "Democracy is not aim, is only a vehicle"...How democratic we see...When u see only one party selected president of Republic in Republic history? We will see when the elections came, we know who is who... |
what about other newspapers,sabah,milliyet,posta, etc..they all are supporter of other parties.
dont forget ..probably in august and september election will be held and I will remind these and u will see the result of election
because chp,dyp and anap created 2nd OZAL who is tayyip...
it was my post ..and wish u have a nice time..
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29 Apr 2007 Sun 07:56 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Good to see you back Lapinkulta .
You know armegon,im Muslim,wearing Hijab,and i want to visit Türkiye,and when i read things like what you say i think ,Ohh My God, what would do they with me when i go to Türkiye !
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Do not worry about that CANLI, my mother also cover her hair, this will cause no proble...Here problem is using religion as a political sign and deceiving ppl with religion is the problem now in Türkiye...
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