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1.       bod
5999 posts
 06 Jan 2006 Fri 04:18 pm

I am very confused about where and how "eder" is used. I can't find a translation of it in the dictionary (other than as "pricelist" lol).

In another thread mltm wrote:
Kediler ve köpekler birbirleriyle kavga ederler.
Kedi ve köpek birbirleriyle (or birbiriyle) kavga eder.


And what about in:
Teşekkür ederim

Can anyone help me to understand the use of this better - thanks!

2.       ramayan
2633 posts
 06 Jan 2006 Fri 04:27 pm

dude dis is like helping verb in english....like to be...maybe....

yardım:help(noun)
yardım etmek:to help

sana yardım ettim...

i helped u

3.       bod
5999 posts
 06 Jan 2006 Fri 04:50 pm

Quoting ramayan:

dude dis is like helping verb in english....like to be...maybe....

yardım:help(noun)
yardım etmek:to help

sana yardım ettim...

i helped u



So how is ederim formed???
"et-der-im" with the 't' dropped?
If so, what is the -der suffix???

4.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 06 Jan 2006 Fri 07:17 pm

if i give u some more examples rather than explaining it maybe u will understand

gelirim
giderim
beklerim
özlerim
isterim
bakarım
atarım
koşurum
üşÃ¼rüm


u can see that most of them follow the vowel type harmony although there are about 12-13 exceptions..
these are all listed in another thread which was started by myself a while ago.. maybe u can find it? that would help u also as it explains things in more depth

5.       bod
5999 posts
 06 Jan 2006 Fri 07:48 pm

Quoting miss_ceyda:

if i give u some more examples rather than explaining it maybe u will understand

gelirim
giderim
beklerim
özlerim
isterim
bakarım
atarım
koşurum
üşÃ¼rüm


u can see that most of them follow the vowel type harmony although there are about 12-13 exceptions..
these are all listed in another thread which was started by myself a while ago.. maybe u can find it? that would help u also as it explains things in more depth



Oh!!!
It's one these annoying aorist tense used where the tense isn't really aorist at all........

I'll have to really study that to understand it properly

6.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 06 Jan 2006 Fri 07:54 pm

bod ya.. from seeing ur posts it is obvious that you are taking on too much at once.. you cant feed ur brain that much TR in a small space of time coz there will just be a block and nothing will go in..

i think that u should really study a couple of things until u are sure that they are in ur head.. and then carry on with some more..

i mean, look at the forums now.. they are tattooed with all different things u wanna learn all at once..

i give u credit for ur determination although i tried the same technique and it got me nowhere but confused :S

also, i think that u would benefit from being in a turkish environment with all TR speakers so u would also pick up thngs natrually as well as having to "study study study" ha?

7.       bod
5999 posts
 06 Jan 2006 Fri 07:57 pm

Quoting miss_ceyda:

also, i think that u would benefit from being in a turkish environment with all TR speakers so u would also pick up thngs natrually as well as having to "study study study" ha?



Find me a home and a job in Turkey and I will be there I tell you!!!

8.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 06 Jan 2006 Fri 07:59 pm

i could say the same to you jnm
dont u have an TR friends which u could try to speak TR with?
im not sure whereabouts u are although i know that in places like london, there are lots of Turkish people.. are u not near there? cant u get TR tv? that would also be greatly beneficial

9.       bod
5999 posts
 06 Jan 2006 Fri 08:08 pm

Quoting miss_ceyda:

im not sure whereabouts u are although i know that in places like london, there are lots of Turkish people.. are u not near there? cant u get TR tv? that would also be greatly beneficial



I'm in Manchester (it is in my profile - *pokes*)

The only places I can think of where I could practice spoken Turkish is the local Turkish supermarket and resturant. And I am not good enough for that yet!

No way can I get Turkish TV as I don't have a television! But I do listen to Turkish radio alot of the time.

I have a very different approach to learning to you. One that works for me - well, it always has done! That of learning a little and then trying to push myself asking lots of questions along the way. Much of the answers I forget but remember something of them. The bits that I actually need I learn very quickly by repitition

Türkçe yöntemim ögreneyim!

10.       bod
5999 posts
 06 Jan 2006 Fri 08:20 pm

Thanks ramayan and Miss C - between your explanations I have worked out that "eder" is etmek in the aorist tense......that was all I needed to know

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