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1.       Kimmie
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 04 Nov 2007 Sun 12:05 pm

Turkçe benim değil iyi.

well I know about 100 words from my 4 visits to Turkiye this year but I have no idea of grammar etc. I have been told I am good at reading it . . . but what use is it if I don't understand it? So . . . everyone here seems much better and I wonder if there is a forum for my level . . . or is it better just to stick with this site and try and translate what people say using a dictionary? I had a go at one today and actually when I read someone elses translation I had got most of it. But I had to use the dictionary all the time. Hope someone can give me some pointers.

2.       Trudy
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 04 Nov 2007 Sun 12:34 pm

Try the grammar lessons on the left hand side menu. They're great.

3.       Kimmie
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 04 Nov 2007 Sun 01:51 pm

Thanks Trudy. I had alook at it a few days ago and you're right it's excellent. I have revisited and paid more attention! I guess it's hard
to know where to start . . . verb conjugation, suffixes or build up vocab . . probably a bit of everything! I was confused a little on the section about noun clauses and wonder if the author made an error . I think they may have mistyped -i and ı. I have copied and will paste here . . . oh I tried but it mixed it all in with my typing above. Anyway it's the second section about noun clauses in the grammar lessons. I will copy and paste on a sep post.

Thanks again



4.       Kimmie
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 04 Nov 2007 Sun 01:54 pm

Case2:
The first noun describes the second noun, wıth any relationship except for the made-of relationship we saw above and the specific ownership relationship. Examples to this case can be car key, book shelf, garden door, window glass... In this case, you write the nouns in the same order as English, but add the suffix -i at the end of the second noun. If the noun to which you append suffix -i already ends with a vowel, you add the fusion consonant -s between these vowels to separate the two vowels. The third example below demonstrates this case.

car key ==> araba anahtarı

book shelf ==> kitap rafı

garden door ==> bahçe kapısı (note the fusion consonant s here)

window glass ==> pencere camı

It was lesson 10 actually. Perhaps I am misunderstanding it but it says add -i then it's a -ı in examples.

Thanks again

5.       Kimmie
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 04 Nov 2007 Sun 01:56 pm

oh . . . and why are we in an obscure time zone? My messages are shown as being about 5 hours earlier than it is. I this an american site? Or am I in a time warp?

6.       Kimmie
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 04 Nov 2007 Sun 02:30 pm

Perhaps the -i -ı issue is something to do with vowel harmony?

7.       avatar
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 04 Nov 2007 Sun 02:50 pm

merhaba Kimmie
ben turkum. sana yardim edebilirim.

8.       Kimmie
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 04 Nov 2007 Sun 03:25 pm

merhaba 'avatar'

Evet teşekur ederim. Yavaş ama korkusuzum .

I have configured my keyboard to turkish as the icons below make my words go to a new line! I don't know if the word slow should have a suffix or if the word fearless has the right suffix.
Thank you

9.       Audrey
19 posts
 05 Nov 2007 Mon 12:35 am

Quoting Kimmie:

Perhaps the -i -ı issue is something to do with vowel harmony?



Yes.
Vocal harmony is the first thing you should learn, understand and remember, because we always need it (for the nouns, for verbs, etc).
Do you have a book to learn, or just your dictionnary ?
You can start with the lessons provided here, and download winmekmak (very useful).
Never hesitate to ask your questions here, it's really helpfull. And read the old questions too, of course.

you could check this first (about vowel harmony):
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_6_8666

10.       Kimmie
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 05 Nov 2007 Mon 12:51 am

Thanks for the advice Audrey I spent all afternoon wıth wınmekmak. I made a conjugatıon table for some of the verbs.

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