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More on noun states for different verbs
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23 Jan 2006 Mon 04:08 pm |
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If I look in the dictionary at a given verb - for example sallamak (to wave) - I see that each meaning has a noun state attached to it......so in this case meanings 1-5 have accusative state whereas meaning 6 has dative state.
So any noun or pronoun that I use with this verb has to have a consistent noun state - am I right so far???
What if the verb entry doesn't have a state attached to it? For example uçmak (to fly). The dictionary entry for this has the ablative state for meanings 3 and 7 but 1,2,4,5,6 and 8 have no associated noun state. Does this mean that the noun can be in any state or does it mean that it has to be in the nominal state or does it mean something else???
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23 Jan 2006 Mon 04:44 pm |
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Quoting bod: If I look in the dictionary at a given verb - for example sallamak (to wave) - I see that each meaning has a noun state attached to it......so in this case meanings 1-5 have accusative state whereas meaning 6 has dative state.
So any noun or pronoun that I use with this verb has to have a consistent noun state - am I right so far??? |
You just have to use the appropriate state according to the meaning of the verb in a certain context. Meaning 1-5 will require accusative, and dative for meaning 6.
Quoting bod: What if the verb entry doesn't have a state attached to it? For example uçmak (to fly). The dictionary entry for this has the ablative state for meanings 3 and 7 but 1,2,4,5,6 and 8 have no associated noun state. Does this mean that the noun can be in any state or does it mean that it has to be in the nominal state or does it mean something else??? |
You might want to read some information about Transitive and Intransitive verbs
When there is no state indicated, it means that the verb is intransitive (or can be used as an intransitive verb in some contexts). It doesn't need an object, it has a meaning on its own.
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24 Jan 2006 Tue 11:48 am |
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Quoting Elisa: Quoting bod: What if the verb entry doesn't have a state attached to it? For example uçmak (to fly). The dictionary entry for this has the ablative state for meanings 3 and 7 but 1,2,4,5,6 and 8 have no associated noun state. Does this mean that the noun can be in any state or does it mean that it has to be in the nominal state or does it mean something else??? |
You might want to read some information about Transitive and Intransitive verbs
When there is no state indicated, it means that the verb is intransitive (or can be used as an intransitive verb in some contexts). It doesn't need an object, it has a meaning on its own. |
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However, there are certainly some verbs which can take an object but for which there is no indicated noun state. For example havlamak (to bark).
köpeği havladılar
the dogs barked
Here "dog" is the object of the verb. It seems to me that the only noun states that make sense are genative and accusative but there is no state entry in the dictionary for havlamak.......
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24 Jan 2006 Tue 01:16 pm |
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Quoting bod: However, there are certainly some verbs which can take an object but for which there is no indicated noun state. For example havlamak (to bark).
köpeği havladılar
the dogs barked
Here "dog" is the object of the verb. It seems to me that the only noun states that make sense are genative and accusative but there is no state entry in the dictionary for havlamak....... |
Dog is not the object, dog is the subject of the sentence! So no state (or better, nominative state, but there are no suffixes for that).
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