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Peaceful coexistence through dialogue and education
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10.       teaschip
3870 posts
 14 Dec 2007 Fri 01:37 am

Quoting alameda:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

I don't see that happening, just like synagogues. I can't walk into a conservative synagogue without the approval of the rabi, then I'm force to segregate gendors men on one side women on the other. Tell me could I just walk into a mosque...I wonder how that is viewed.


I surely don't see that either, but don't you think it's weird that christians are accomodating muslims, but muslims don't do the same for christians? What kind of "dialogue" is THAT????



I know of many mosques that allow anyone to come in and pray. One is usually requested to remove their shoes.

Then, there are some that are more restrictive. I know a Turkish man who almost got in trouble in Morrocco when he went into a mosque.

You can't group a whole group into one category if one wants to be accurate. There are tolerant and intolerant groups in all religions.



That is incorrect, you can walk into any Christian Church here in the U.S., no matter what religion you are. You don't need special permission by the preacher....If I want to go to a Baptist, Protestant, Luthern, Catholic, Non Denomination Church I don't need special permission. I just know where I live, you just can't walk into a Mosque or Synagogue...Maybe there are Mosques that welcome any religion inside their doors, I just haven't found one.

11.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Dec 2007 Fri 01:47 am

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting alameda:

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

I don't see that happening, just like synagogues. I can't walk into a conservative synagogue without the approval of the rabi, then I'm force to segregate gendors men on one side women on the other. Tell me could I just walk into a mosque...I wonder how that is viewed.


I surely don't see that either, but don't you think it's weird that christians are accomodating muslims, but muslims don't do the same for christians? What kind of "dialogue" is THAT????



I know of many mosques that allow anyone to come in and pray. One is usually requested to remove their shoes.

Then, there are some that are more restrictive. I know a Turkish man who almost got in trouble in Morrocco when he went into a mosque.

You can't group a whole group into one category if one wants to be accurate. There are tolerant and intolerant groups in all religions.



That is incorrect, you can walk into any Christian Church here in the U.S., no matter what religion you are. You don't need special permission by the preacher....If I want to go to a Baptist, Protestant, Luthern, Catholic, Non Denomination Church I don't need special permission. I just know where I live, you just can't walk into a Mosque or Synagogue...Maybe there are Mosques that welcome any religion inside their doors, I just haven't found one.



Well I guess that's the point, you haven't found one...

12.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:11 am

Quoting alameda:

Well I guess that's the point, you haven't found one...


Come on Alameda, the fact that you have to LOOK FOR a mosque that allows "strangers" shows that overall it's an intolerant religion.

13.       AEnigma III
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 14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:57 am

We have a great programme on UK TV called "Secret Millionaire". Each week a different millionaire goes "undercover" to a poor or disadvantaged area (or back to their roots) and works among the people for a week before deciding who to give money to and assist.

This week the man was a very successful leisure industry boss. He was a Pakistani who had moved to the UK aged 8, speaking no English. He had been married to an English woman for 20 years and remained a muslim. He had learned the language and built up his business from scratch.

He went back to the area of Leeds where many of his Asian countrymen live. He spent time with them and after a few days was horrified to discover that there was NOBODY he wanted to help! The muslim community did NOT want to integrate with the English in any way and had not adapted to living in another country. In a radio interview, he had callers saying he had betrayed his faith by marrying an English woman, and that he could not be considered a proper muslim because any woman from the West was immoral. They taunted him for his "Englishness" and kept asking "did you sleep with her before marriage".

He was left sad and bewildered at how fundementalist immigrants had become in the UK. He eventually found three people he could help (2 of which were not from his own background).

Integration and tolerance WORKS BOTH WAYS!

14.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Dec 2007 Fri 03:02 am

I think the article kafesteki kus posted about churches in Italy allowing muslims to pray there, although there's no mention of Italian mosques allowing christians in is a great example of exactly the same issue. Muslims making demands and offering NOTHING in return!

15.       kafesteki kus
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 14 Dec 2007 Fri 09:48 am

Quoting catwoman:

I think the article kafesteki kus posted about churches in Italy allowing muslims to pray there, although there's no mention of Italian mosques allowing christians in is a great example of exactly the same issue. Muslims making demands and offering NOTHING in return!


Article I posted as the example of dialog was a respond in action to October 138 Muslim scholars letter to church authorities all over the world.
http://www.acommonword.com/index.php?lang=en&page=option1
Personally I am not in favour of any religion,denomination or cult BUT It is noticeable fact that Muslim scientists prepared this letter in which they look for similarities between Christianity and Islam rather than differences.
Interesting are also reactions to this letter .
http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2007/10/21/pope-urges-religions-to-work-for-peace-mum-on-muslim-letter/
http://www.zenit.org/article-20787?l=english
As far as question of non Muslim or non Jewish entering shrines of other main religion goes,why non Muslims ,just to be objective,want to do it?For religious reasons? For praying???(If you are Christian you can pray anywhere ,one does not need a special place for it.)If non/believers enter other religions holy places only bcs of curiosity,ignorance ,lack of respect,etc...why should they be permitted.?
Religion is a subtle matter and extremely personal,part of human indentity,that is why any question about it raises so much controversy.Anyway,here is the link to the utterence of one scholar responding to the question"Can non Muslims enter the mosque?"
http://aa.trinimuslims.com/archive/index.php?t-2008.html
Have a nice reading...and a good day!

16.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:00 pm

You may be correct, but in that case this is NOT about DIALOGUE (more like appeasement)!

17.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:29 pm

I don't believe there will EVER be peaceful coexistance between people of different religions, for one simple reason.

While its easy for people to say "we all have one God", most deity religions follow one prophet (Jesus, Mohammad ...and as we have been talking about Mormon's lately, Joseph, a boy from the USA!!!). Each prophet claims that HE received his message from God and that HIS teachings are only way God wants us to worship him.

This means only ONE can be right and all the others are following a false prophet who had a few hallucinations and was deluded into thinking he was "chosen"

Religious people will always argue about their faith (which in itself makes a mockery of faith)!! Even if the whole world were one religion, they would still argue about the different sub-sections of that religion.

What a wonderful, peaceful world those false prophets gave us!!! (I am not mocking any religion here - but whatever your religion, you have to agree that the other's are "false prophets"

18.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:38 pm

I don't completely agree with you Aenigma, it is possible for people to have their own faith and at the same time have the kind of attitude in which they would see other people as human beings. Religion is a subject to wide interpretation, so if they interpret their faith in a tolerant way, they will become more tolerant, if they don't, they will keep acting like predators towards each other.

19.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:47 pm

Quoting catwoman:

I don't completely agree with you Aenigma



That's ok - you are not obliged to agree since you deserted the gang

20.       catwoman
8933 posts
 14 Dec 2007 Fri 02:55 pm

Actually, I don't think that it's dialogue that's going to guarantee a peaceful coexistence, but a couple of bright people who will redefine their faith on a mass scale... and will lead to a movement of brainwashing people to be more tolerant. It's impossible to have a "dialogue" with an average Mary that has had years of pumping information into her had by the whole gang.

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