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A third Bosphorus bridge
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 05:25 pm |
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Quoting ciko: i think you are being too romantic. Istanbul absolutely need one more bridge whether you like it or not.People who live in asia side and work in europe side waste their hours on bridges and bridge's roads every morning and evening. yes i agree people should be more respectful to eachother in traffic and yes most of people in istanbul dont belong to istanbul.but saying these is not a solution. the fact is population of istanbul is over 15 million and it is increasing each day. and we need more roads. and also we need more subway lines
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Hey Ciko - unfortunately I feel that your response is one of the exact reasons why Istanbul is in such a mess. It seems that the way to do things here is "just build another one" if there is too much traffic, which is basicallyu the mentality of sweeping the problems under the carpets.
With reference to London, there are car-pooling initiatives which encourage people to share one car which will give the driver a priority parking space. There are park and ride schemes all over the UK - this involves driving your car to a urban location close to the city and being trasported into the city by frequent clean buses - inner-city traffic is greatly reduced.
In order to solve Istanbul problems, you have to educate people about the alternative possibilities of reducing traffic. No city big or small can expect the government to wave a magic wand and take all the problems away - the public also have to change with the times.
Another initiative in London is inner-city driving charges, this is in place to make people consider public transport. If you drive into central London, you will pay to enter the city - but if you use the public transport you will not, you will only pay your bus ticket. This gives people the initiative to use public transport.
The problem in Istanbul, is that public transport is often dangerous and dirty. The buses that travel from European side to Asian side are often damp, smelly and dirty and the driver enjoys speaking on his mobile phone and smoking a cigarette. Or take a minibus and pray that you get to your destination whilst the driver overtakes other vehicles at high speeds in narrow roads. Or take the dolmus, not a seat belt in sight and plenty of passive smoking from the driver.
You have to get rid of the dolmus, minibuses. Buy a fleet of new double decker green buses, train the drivers to be professional and keep a high quality control on them !
This is the only way.
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 05:32 pm |
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Cacik: question, who will finance your last idea?
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 05:38 pm |
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i dont know if you are living in istanbul. but we cant wait until our people get educated. yes it is so stupid that everybody uses their cars instead of public transpostation but we have no time. there is marmaray project you know..it will be very good for istanbul..and i believe it will help istanbul traffic. but i dont think it is enough. people are uneducated cacik..sad but true. and we turkish or eastern people love to boast with what we have..like cars..houses..so i dont think turkish will ever stop using private cars. education is important in long term yes...but we all will die in long term No time !
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26 Dec 2007 Wed 06:43 pm |
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Hi Ciko - Yep I know Istanbul very well indeed. The point which I disagree with you is because we don't have time, we should build a bridge, it seems you are more willing to just accept that uneducation in Istanbul rather than fight against it. Do you think that the UK was always as educated as it is now. It was only a couple centuries ago that human waste floated down the streets, and hardly anyone was educated at all, but people fought against it and now things are as they are. But it two decades and decades to establish.
You may feel in your lifetime that time is running out, but we have to consider the future, the future of our grandchildren, we have to suffer for them, as people before us did. This is a part of life, a part of maturing. If we all just put the problems in the cupboard, things will never change and 25 years later, people will be screaming - we need a fourth bridge.
Hey Roswitha, the same people who would fund a bridge, do you think building a bridge would cost much different to purchasing new greener buses ?
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