Welcome
Login:   Pass:     Register - Forgot Password - Resend Activation

Turkish Class Forums / Turkey

Turkey

Add reply to this discussion
Moderators: libralady, sonunda
Foundation For Scientific Research Goes Global With Glitzy Promotion Attacking Evolution
(33 Messages in 4 pages - View all)
[1] 2 3 4
1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 08:48 pm

Darwinism
On a recent afternoon inside Istanbul's busiest subway station, a young man beckoned commuters into a subterranean "fossil exhibit" full of skulls and insects dating back millions of years.

But this was no mainstream scientific display. One colorful poster advertised the "myth" of the evolution of the horse. Another, displaying a flying pterodactyl, denounced the evolution of birds as "fake."

The display is one of many traveling shows put on by the Foundation for Scientific Research, an Islamic creationist group that has become a household name in Turkey. Now, the groups says it is distributing its books – published in 59 languages including Arabic, Chinese, Swahili, and Polish – to 80 countries.

"Turkey is now the headquarters of creationism in the Islamic World. This is no longer only Turkey's problem, it is now the problem of the whole civilized world," says Haluk Ertan, a professor of molecular biology at Istanbul University. He's one of a handful of Turkish scientists who have been working to counter creationism's spread in the country.

Emboldened by its success at home over the past decade, the foundation, known by its Turkish acronym BAV (for Bilim Arastirma Vakfi), is now aggressively trying to export its unique brand of Islamic creationism well beyond the borders of Turkey to the Middle East, Europe, and even the United States.

In the past year, BAV has blanketed several European countries and the US with its glossy "Atlas of Creation," a lavish 768-page tome weighing more than 13 pounds, sending it to scientists, professors, journalists, and schoolteachers.

One member of the organization estimates that it distributed well over 20,000 copies of the "Atlas," which, like all of the group's books, is written under the name of Harun Yahya. Amazon.com hosts a virtual bookstore that sells "Atlas" ($99) and other Yahya books, and booksellers across Europe have it on their shelves.

"Every Islamic bookshop I know of stocks Harun Yahya's material. It is so glossily produced. It is very attractive and very colorful and outclasses everything else," says Inayat Bunglawala, assistant secretary-general of the Muslim British Council, speaking by phone from London.

"It is having an effect. Even among Muslim medical students there are a number now who are speaking out against Darwin."

In France, the Harun Yahya book offensive led the government to issue a warning for schools to be on the look out for the "Atlas" before it makes it into their classrooms. Meanwhile, the increasing European activity of the BAV, as well as of Christian creationist groups, recently prompted a committee of the Council of Europe – a 47-nation group that acts as a kind of continental watchdog – to issue a report strongly warning about its dangers to education.

"Today, creationists of all faiths are trying to get their ideas accepted in Europe. As a result, we have seen several initiatives from these various movements on the Eurasian continent in the last few years, with schools apparently the main target," the report, released in June, said.

Blames Darwinism for terrorism

In real life, Harun Yahya is a 51-year-old former interior-design student named Adnan Oktar. Since founding the BAV in 1990, Mr. Oktar has been responsible for ushering more than 250 books into print, though many observers agree he serves more as the chief overseer of a group of writers rather than as a solo author. The series includes titles such as "The Dark Spell of Darwinism" and "Why Darwinism is Incompatible with the Koran."

Oktar's brand of creationism is not only religious, but also political and even messianic, seeing most of the world's ills – terrorism and fascism among them – as stemming from Darwin's theory of evolution.

"Hitler, Mao, and Lenin were Darwinists. At the root of wild capitalism is also Darwinism. I think if we no longer believe in Darwinism, people will no longer be conditioned to believe in those things," the normally reclusive Oktar said during a recent press conference, held aboard a hired yacht cruising Istanbul's Bosphorus strait.

"Folks, there is no such thing as what you call evolution. If there was, it would be in the Holy Bible or the Koran," added Oktar, dressed in an ivory-white raw silk suit and wearing gold cufflinks and a matching gold belt buckle with Arabic inscriptions on them.

"The sweet dream of the Darwinists and the world is to ban my books," Oktar said, sipping glass after glass of sour cherry juice. "What I'm saying is true. They cannot disprove it."

Unlike fundamentalist Christian creationists, Oktar does not claim the earth was created only a few thousand years ago. Instead, he argues that fossils show that creatures from millions of years ago looked just like the creatures of today, thus disproving evolution.

Harmonizing modernity, Islam

While giving creationism a scientific veneer, "Scientifically speaking, the whole Harun Yahya corpus is a bunch of nonsense, but it is unfortunately very popular," says Taner Edis, a Turkish physicist who teaches at Truman State University in Missouri.

Professor Edis says the success of the Harun Yahya books, at least in the Islamic world, can be attributed to a need for harmonizing modern life with traditional Islamic beliefs.

"Something has to reconcile these two things and it becomes very attractive when someone comes out with a well-packaged message, that they can have both – be fully modern and at the same have science … affirm most of their very deeply held religious and ethical perceptions," says Edis, whose "An Illusion of Harmony: Science and Religion in Islam" was published by Prometheus Books this spring.

"That's a pretty attractive package and that's mostly what the Harun Yahya material provides," he says.

In Turkey, Oktar and his books certainly appear to be having an impact. When Science magazine conducted a survey of 34 countries last August, Turkey had the second-lowest acceptance rate of the theory of evolution (the United States had the lowest).

Creationist curriculum since '85

Creationism has actually been a part of the Turkish science curriculum since 1985, when it was added by government order, and many scientists now fear that it will soon be too hard to uproot.

"The general state of science education is very bad in the sense that evolution and creationism are taught together, and they can't be taught together. If they are, no scientific thinking can be established in these students," says Aykut Kence, a professor of biology at Ankara's Middle East Technical University.

"We are going to fall behind the modern countries in terms of development, economy, culture. Everything."

http://www.harunyahyaconferences.com/

2.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 08:52 pm

If people want to believe in fairy tales - let them . It holds back a country where there is no scientific development, but it is their choice. Believing anything else would contradict with their religion.

They are happy enough to use their western cellphones, computers and iPods in the meantime....

3.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 09:15 pm

Harun Yahya is the name with which Adnan Oktar (Alias, Adnan Hoca) signs his books.

Adnan Hoca is a very dubious character running his own semi secret sect. among rich young students of Robert College in Istanbul.

I suspect his methods extend into intimidation, in fact threathening of those committed followers who wish to part ways, even if they agree to take a solemn oath of silence for the rest of their lives.

He currently seems untouchable by the law and reminds me of the SCIENTOLOGs in the USA. His very plush books are printed in and distributed from USA, free of charge.

He did lose some of his credibility in the recent years.

4.       kedycano
11 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 09:18 pm

haha I visited he museum to kill time while waiting for a friend... I dont know much about positive sciences but I am almost sure that whatever done in the name of islam in this country is against science and sound thinking... the museum seemed a bit stupid...

and "scientific" efforts aiming at falsifying darwinism has always been the most popular subject to study and get financed among the dumb "scientists" of this country...

and it s weird enough that people defend harun yahya's ideas without understanding a single word of his books...

anyway this is turkey, people always have a word to say on everything no matter they know about it or not they have a stupid idea on everything and think all the world hates and fights against their race...

congratulations aenigma u learned much about turkey and it s people

5.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 09:21 pm

Think twice...Turkia has not got enough funds to waste on such shit...Who has it?

6.       kedycano
11 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 09:28 pm

no no no...
that s exactly what turkey does... financing and spending a lot on just "shit" ... see the last bomibngs into the norhern iraq... u have an idea how much 50 jets, tons of bombs, 200 thousand soldiers in the region cost?
what do they get in turn? except for a few Kurds and their herd killed?

7.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 09:34 pm

All in the mountains have been invited to come down and live like decent human beings...Many are happy with the invitation and joining their families...

Those who chose to remain in the caves, will get what is coming to them. All terrorists will be cleaned out, no matter what the cost is.

Better put that in your peanut brain and stop pushing those boys to their deaths. Go to mountains yourself, if you have the balls.

8.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 09:35 pm

Kedycano you should remember that once you start criticising your own country, Alpha gets his racist hat on

Now...where is ETKO? lol

9.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 09:39 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

Better put that in your peanut brain and stop pushing those boys to their deaths. Go to mountains yourself, if you have the balls.



Alpha you are living proof that we descend from apes! lol

10.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 09:41 pm

This is not racism...We have people of Kurdish etnic roots married to our family. They are under constant threat by these cowards...

(33 Messages in 4 pages - View all)
[1] 2 3 4
Add reply to this discussion




Turkish Dictionary
Turkish Chat
Open mini chat
New in Forums
Crossword Vocabulary Puzzles for Turkish L...
qdemir: You can view and solve several of the puzzles online at ...
Giriyor vs Geliyor.
lrnlang: Thank you for the ...
Local Ladies Ready to Play in Your City
nifrtity: ... - Discover Women Seeking No-Strings Attached Encounters in Your Ci...
Geçmekte vs. geçiyor?
Hoppi: ... and ... has almost the same meaning. They are both mean "i...
Intermediate (B1) to upper-intermediate (B...
qdemir: View at ...
Why yer gördüm but yeri geziyorum
HaydiDeer: Thank you very much, makes perfect sense!
Random Pictures of Turkey
Most liked