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Thoughts on draft new constitution 1 - rights of women and children
1.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:19 pm

This year will see politicians debating a new constitution in Turkey, to replace the 1980s military constitution. A draft is just about to be published, and there are already many leaks.

Headscarf ban will attract most of the attention, but I wanted to highlight some other points that are worthy of debate and consideration:

"Provisions on children and women: For the first time, the draft constitution lists children’s rights in a separate section. Children will be protected by provisions included in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC). The draft text also includes provisions on the status of women. A provision that foresees “positive discrimination” toward women who need protection in the social and political spheres appears in the draft constitution. "

BRAVO! Hope it stays in the final.

2.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:42 pm

Marion,here is another article from October: Women condemn Turkey constitution

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7025294.stm

3.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 04:09 pm

Good point, worth thinking about. I was really cheering the inclusion of children's rights.

I will post a translation of the draft about women as soon as it is available so we can all see it and weigh it up.

Q: How far should positive discrimination go before it becomes a negative thing in the cause of women's rights.

4.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 04:30 pm

A step in the right direction. What do they say? A journey of 1000 miles begins with one step.

5.       AEnigma III
0 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 05:56 pm

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

Q: How far should positive discrimination go before it becomes a negative thing in the cause of women's rights.



Hmmmm I agree
(I must stop agreeing with you - Kitty doesn't like it when I agree with people too often )

6.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 06:58 pm

This isn't meant as a comment on the Turkish constitution but a remark on ALL government constitutions......Does anyone else here feel offended by the fact that the rights of some humans have to be constitutionally guaranteed? Shouldn't the rights of ALL humans be guaranteed....and why do we need it in writing? Shouldn't it be an inherent human right? That is the thing about "Woman's Rights", "Children's Rights"....it makes me feel like I am not human in the first place. Until it is acknowledged by ALL humans that we ALL have rights...the SAME rights....there will always be struggles, wars, famine and disease.

This is always my thougth of the day....

7.       SERA_2005
668 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 07:04 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

This isn't meant as a comment on the Turkish constitution but a remark on ALL government constitutions......Does anyone else here feel offended by the fact that the rights of some humans have to be constitutionally guaranteed? Shouldn't the rights of ALL humans be guaranteed....and why do we need it in writing? Shouldn't it be an inherent human right? That is the thing about "Woman's Rights", "Children's Rights"....it makes me feel like I am not human in the first place. Until it is acknowledged by ALL humans that we ALL have rights...the SAME rights....there will always be struggles, wars, famine and disease.

This is always my thougth of the day....



I think that the reason these things are written up and then put into practice is to give protection and acknowledgement to the less powerful groups in society such as children.Not entirely sure that women fall into this category however although having said that i suppose it depends where in the world one is talking about and maybe in some places it is needed.Ohh i can hear a few feminist thoughts creeping into my head,also worth noting that for the most part these things are drawn up by men.

8.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 07:05 pm

Quoting SERA_2005:

Quoting Elisabeth:

This isn't meant as a comment on the Turkish constitution but a remark on ALL government constitutions......Does anyone else here feel offended by the fact that the rights of some humans have to be constitutionally guaranteed? Shouldn't the rights of ALL humans be guaranteed....and why do we need it in writing? Shouldn't it be an inherent human right? That is the thing about "Woman's Rights", "Children's Rights"....it makes me feel like I am not human in the first place. Until it is acknowledged by ALL humans that we ALL have rights...the SAME rights....there will always be struggles, wars, famine and disease.

This is always my thougth of the day....



I think that the reason these things are written up and then put into practice is to give protection and acknowledgement to the less powerful groups in society such as children.Not entirely sure that women fall into this category however although having said that i suppose it depends where in the world one is talking about and maybe in some places it is needed.Ohh i can hear a few feminist thoughts creeping into my head,also worth noting that for the most part these things are drawn up by men.




I understand the reality of having to have these things in writing ...but it still makes my blood boil!

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