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Thoughts on new Consitution -2 - what is a Turk?
1.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 03:22 pm

Turkishness to be redefined: The definition of Turkishness as put forward by the 1982 Constitution is being amended. The phrase in Article 66, “Everyone bound to the Turkish State with the bond of citizenship is a Turk,” is drafted to be changed to “Everyone bound to the Turkish Republic with the bond of citizenship is called a Turk regardless of religion or race.”

Hip hip hurray for this recognition of religious and racial-origin freedom.

Hope the nationalists don't overturn this in Parliament.

2.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 03 Jan 2008 Thu 04:36 pm

Maybe I just don't get it....but it seems the same to me. In the first one they say if you are a citizen you are considered a Turk...I don't see where the second is different except the "regardless of race or religion" is not implied, which it was in the first one. Does this really make a big difference?

3.       AEnigma III
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 03 Jan 2008 Thu 05:47 pm

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

Turkishness to be redefined: The definition of Turkishness as put forward by the 1982 Constitution is being amended. The phrase in Article 66, “Everyone bound to the Turkish State with the bond of citizenship is a Turk,” is drafted to be changed to “Everyone bound to the Turkish Republic with the bond of citizenship is called a Turk regardless of religion or race.”

Hip hip hurray for this recognition of religious and racial-origin freedom.

Hope the nationalists don't overturn this in Parliament.



I agree it is an improvement I agree, but will make little difference to our nationalists I think - they seem to be self-governing

What does "bound to" entail?

4.       MarioninTurkey
6124 posts
 04 Jan 2008 Fri 02:41 pm

Quoting Elisabeth:

Maybe I just don't get it....but it seems the same to me. In the first one they say if you are a citizen you are considered a Turk...I don't see where the second is different except the "regardless of race or religion" is not implied, which it was in the first one. Does this really make a big difference?



Ohh... yes, it makes a HUGE difference.


You can't say "The people who harrassed the people in Taksim were not Turks, they are of Kurdish descent" if we add "regardless of race and religion" to the definition.

OK, Elisabeth, I know you wouldnt say it, but some here have!

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