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Is this correct?
1.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 02 Feb 2006 Thu 09:39 pm


Ödev yapmam lazım

Is this a proper way of saying 'I have to do my homework' ?

or would that be

Ödev yapmalım


Or are they both completely wrong

2.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 02 Feb 2006 Thu 09:52 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:


Ödev yapmam lazım

Is this a proper way of saying 'I have to do my homework' ?

or would that be

Ödev yapmalım


Or are they both completely wrong



I have to do my homework

Ödevimi yapmalıyım

or

Ödevimi yapmam lazım

3.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 02 Feb 2006 Thu 09:53 pm

Ok, thanks

Which one is more commonly used?

4.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 02 Feb 2006 Thu 09:58 pm

the second one is generally used...but the ratios are close to eachother i guess

5.       bod
5999 posts
 04 Feb 2006 Sat 01:09 pm

Quoting SuiGeneris:

I have to do my homework

Ödevimi yapmalıyım

or

Ödevimi yapmam lazım



I totally understand the necessative tense in the first example - but I am struggling with the verb in the second example

Is it:
yap-ma-m = verb stem + verbal noun suffix + first person possessive suffix?

6.       erdinc
2151 posts
 04 Feb 2006 Sat 07:16 pm

Evet doğru anlamışsın bod.

(Benim) ödevimi yapmam lazım.
(Senin) ödevini yapman lazım.
(Onun) ödevini yapması lazım.
(Bizim) ödevimizi yapmamız lazım.
(Sizin) ödevinizi yapmanız lazım.
(Onların) ödevlerini yapmaları lazım.

Possessive Suffixes
after a consonant
my – benim -ım -im -um -üm
your – senin -ın -in -un -ün
his/her/its – onun -ı -i -u -ü -
our – bizim -ımız -imiz -umuz -ümüz
your – sizin -ınız -iniz -unuz -ünüz
their – onların -ları -leri -ları -leri

after a vowel
my – benim -m
your – senin -n
his/her/its – onun -sı -si –su -sü
our – bizim -mız- miz -muz -müz
your – sizin -nız -niz -nuz -nüz
their – onların -ları -leri

7.       bod
5999 posts
 04 Feb 2006 Sat 07:33 pm

Yes - I suppose the part I am failing to understand is how to use "lazım" and therefore why the verb takes the verbal noun suffix in this case :-S

8.       erdinc
2151 posts
 04 Feb 2006 Sat 07:56 pm

lazım:
1. is necessary
2. is needed

Bira almak lazım.
literally: There is a need to buy (some) beer.

Bira almam lazım.
I need to buy some beer.

-ma is also called the short infinitive.

9.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 04 Feb 2006 Sat 10:59 pm

Yes, but i would read it this way to understand:

Quoting erdinc:


Bira almam lazım.
I need to buy some beer.

-ma is also called the short infinitive.



Bira almam lazım = 'my buying' (of) beer is necessary. A kind of possesive-verb.

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