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yemek - demek imperative
1.       veerle1109
1 posts 		 02 Feb 2006 Thu 11:37 pm

Hi there,

I recently started learning Turkish. At school we have already learned about the present tense and the imperative.
But I have a problem with the irregular verbs as yemek and demek.
I think I understand why the first "e" changes into an "i" in "yiyorum" (the last vowel is dropped and followed by '-iyor' ...
but when I search for the imperatives of yemek, I find 3 different conjugations on the internet.
Verbix.com says it's "siz yein(iz)", which should be wrong, cause there must at least be a "y" in the middle.
WinMekMak says it's "siz yiyiniz" and "biz yiyelim"
and I also find "siz yeyiniz" and "biz yeyelim" on the internet. Can somebody tell me which one is correct? And if "biz yiyelim" is correct, why is the first vowel an "i"?
Thank you for your replies!
Veerle

2.       erdinc
2151 posts 		 03 Feb 2006 Fri 03:23 am

Winmekmak is correct with the suffixes.
Although there are another details I think differently.


Quote:


imperative of yemek according winmekmak
sen ye!
o ye-sin!
biz yi-y-elim!
siz yi-y-iniz!
onlar ye-sin-ler!

imperative of demek according winmekmak
sen de!
o de-sin!
biz di-y-elim!
siz di-y-iniz!
onlar de-sin-ler!

optative of demek according winmekmak
ben di-y-e-y-im
sen di-y-e-sin
o di-y-e
biz di-y-e-lim
siz di-y-e-siniz
onlar di-y-e-ler

optative of yemek according winmekmak
ben yi-y-e-y-im
sen yi-y-e-sin
o yi-y-e
biz yi-y-e-lim
siz yi-y-e-siniz
onlar yi-y-e-ler



My version:

imperative of yemek :
1.
2. sen ye
3. o ye-sin
1.
2. siz yi-y-in
3. onlar ye-sin-ler

imperative of demek
1.
2. sen de
3. o de-sin
1.
2. siz di-y-in
3. onlar de-sin-ler

optative of demek
1. ben di-y-e-y-im
2.
3.
1. biz di-y-e-lim
2.
3.

optative of yemek:
1. ben yi-y-e-y-im
2.
3.
1. biz yi-y-e-lim
2.
3.

In Turkish we mix the optative with the imperative. In fact they both together make one mood. The numbers I have cleared are not used anymore.
I have also removed first person plural of imperatives. There is not such an imperative. It is the first person plural of optative mod that we use. Actually winmekmak has them in both places as the same "biz yiyelim" and "biz diyelim". So they are listed as both imperatives and as optatives which is unnecessary.

Winmekmak has some entries for the following optatives:
second person singular
third person singular
second person plural
third person plural

I have removed them all. We don't use them. For these persons, instead we use the imperative in the same role. For instance we don't say "siz yemek yiyesiniz" but instead we say "siz yemek yiyin" even if it is a wish, hope or suggestion.

On the imperative and optative moods (emir kipi ile dilek-istek kipi) there is confusion in Turkish. This above is actually my solution to this problem. The imperative and optative mood can be put together with one name.

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