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The Turkish Blutfahne (Blood Flag)
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 06:19 pm |
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Quoting teaschip1: Quote: I am sure neither the Turkish students who created our own "blood flag" nor the authorities who liked the idea would have sympathy with the Nazi ideology. And their nationalism cannot be compared to the fascism of Adolf Hitler. But the similarity we see in these cases is still disturbing and still needs some explanation.
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Yet, I do find it very unhealthy as well as strange to put their own blood on the flag. 
Also, interesting to see that Turkeys educational system doesn't expand on World War I and II. |
It is quite unhealthy.. I agree.
However, WW I is not the missing one, the writer is talking about WW II.
I think there is a point there. Because, beginning of 1940 is the time when turkish nationalism started to change its face. It is the time when nationalism, inherited from 1920's (from Ataturk), started to become more and more racist. There were many nazis in Turkey at the time apparently. And there was huge surge in racism.
I think the point can be taken that in Europe, for the countries which joined war, the result was catastrophic. The blame went directly to racism. And the racism, somehow, was crushed.
Because Turkey did not suffer the consequences of the war as much as europe, our racism stayed intact.
And here we are
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 06:20 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: English is the language in the forums here... in case you forgot!  |
this is turkishclass..in case you forgot
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 06:21 pm |
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Quoting ciko: Quoting catwoman: English is the language in the forums here... in case you forgot! |
this is turkishclass..in case you forgot |
what does that mean then?? that everybody speaks turkish here?
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 06:23 pm |
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Quoting catwoman: Quoting ciko: Quoting catwoman: English is the language in the forums here... in case you forgot! |
this is turkishclass..in case you forgot |
what does that mean then?? that everybody speaks turkish here? |
nevermind..i am too proud to stay silent sometimes even though i know i am wrong sorry for breaking rules 
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 06:23 pm |
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Quoting admin: Please add proper English translation or a brief explanation when you write something in Turkish. By the way I agree that it is extremely harsh to compare what these kids did with Nazis, it is beyond reasonable criticism in my opinion. A brief translation of the poem you added from M.A. Ersoy, the author of the Turkish national anthem, is:
What makes a flag is the blood on it
Land is a country only if there are people dying for it |
I think the admin made it very clear indeed and since he owns this site, you may want to adhere..words of advice.
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 06:25 pm |
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Quoting ciko: Quoting catwoman: Quoting ciko: Quoting catwoman: English is the language in the forums here... in case you forgot! |
this is turkishclass..in case you forgot |
what does that mean then?? that everybody speaks turkish here? |
nevermind..i am too proud to stay silent sometimes even though i know i am wrong sorry for breaking rules |
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 06:26 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting teaschip1: Quote: I am sure neither the Turkish students who created our own "blood flag" nor the authorities who liked the idea would have sympathy with the Nazi ideology. And their nationalism cannot be compared to the fascism of Adolf Hitler. But the similarity we see in these cases is still disturbing and still needs some explanation.
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Yet, I do find it very unhealthy as well as strange to put their own blood on the flag.
Also, interesting to see that Turkeys educational system doesn't expand on World War I and II. |
It is quite unhealthy.. I agree.
However, WW I is not the missing one, the writer is talking about WW II.
I think there is a point there. Because, beginning of 1940 is the time when turkish nationalism started to change its face. It is the time when nationalism, inherited from 1920's (from Ataturk), started to become more and more racist. There were many nazis in Turkey at the time apparently. And there was huge surge in racism.
I think the point can be taken that in Europe, for the countries which joined war, the result was catastrophic. The blame went directly to racism. And the racism, somehow, was crushed.
Because Turkey did not suffer the consequences of the war as much as europe, our racism stayed intact.
And here we are |
beginning 1940?!!!! sorry but turkish racism started after 1923 ..unlike we read in our formal high school books
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 06:29 pm |
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Quoting thehandsom: Quoting teaschip1: Quote: I am sure neither the Turkish students who created our own "blood flag" nor the authorities who liked the idea would have sympathy with the Nazi ideology. And their nationalism cannot be compared to the fascism of Adolf Hitler. But the similarity we see in these cases is still disturbing and still needs some explanation.
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Yet, I do find it very unhealthy as well as strange to put their own blood on the flag.
Also, interesting to see that Turkeys educational system doesn't expand on World War I and II. |
It is quite unhealthy.. I agree.
However, WW I is not the missing one, the writer is talking about WW II.
I think there is a point there. Because, beginning of 1940 is the time when turkish nationalism started to change its face. It is the time when nationalism, inherited from 1920's (from Ataturk), started to become more and more racist. There were many nazis in Turkey at the time apparently. And there was huge surge in racism.
I think the point can be taken that in Europe, for the countries which joined war, the result was catastrophic. The blame went directly to racism. And the racism, somehow, was crushed.
Because Turkey did not suffer the consequences of the war as much as europe, our racism stayed intact.
And here we are |
Interesting perspective, I appreciate your insight.  But even today, why isn't this part of your world history classes. I guess I still don't understand.... What type of impact would this have?
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22 Jan 2008 Tue 06:41 pm |
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Quoting ciko:
beginning 1940?!!!! sorry but turkish racism started after 1923 ..unlike we read in our formal high school books |
I agree
Actually, the entire 'young Turks' movement in balkans had those ideas. So, the start date should be even before 1923.
I always thought, it was kind of understandable when you think of time they lived in. Most of the people, who managed the independence war, were young turks, including Ataturk himself.
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