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Describing a noun by a process
1.       bod
5999 posts
 08 Feb 2006 Wed 11:56 pm

When a noun is modified according to a process that has been applied to it, how do we express this in Türkçe??? Is the process simply made into a verbal noun and the usual noun-noun descriptor rules applied or this a case for either the -li or -ik suffix?

For example:
"a burnt tree"
yanma ağaçı or yanlı ağaç or yanık ağaç

"a boiled egg"
kaynama yumurtayı or kaynalı yumurta or kaynalık yumurta

2.       mltm
3690 posts
 09 Feb 2006 Thu 12:41 am

Mış, miş, muş, müş are used as suffixes for this. It's easy.I'll basically give the examples.

a burnt tree: yanmış ağaç
a boiled egg: haşlanmış yumurta (we use "haşlamak" for the food cooked in water)
an ironed shirt: ütülenmiş gömlek
an unironed shirt: ütülenmemiş gömlek
a used car: kullanılmış araba

etc., etc.

Notice that:
The verbs are made passive.
yanmak is already a passive verb in turkish. (ağacı yakmak: to burn a tree, but "ağaç yanıyor": the tree is burning)
haşlamak is to boil. haşlanmak is passive, but in english you use the same. to boil an egg: yumurta haşlamak; egg is boiling: yumurta haşlanıyor
ütülemek---ütülenmek
ütülememek---ütülenmemek
kullanmak---kullanılmak

3.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 15 Feb 2006 Wed 05:37 pm

thanks so much.. i too was unaware of this... thanks so much....really, i appreciate this a lot...

4.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 02 Mar 2006 Thu 06:33 pm

Quoting mltm:

Notice that:
The verbs are made passive.
yanmak is already a passive verb in turkish. (ağacı yakmak: to burn a tree, but "ağaç yanıyor": the tree is burning)



so does this mean that all verbs that end with k before their -mek suffix adopt an n when made passive??
please give me some more examples.


also, are these correct?..
yenmiş börek
saklanmış olabilir

5.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 03 Mar 2006 Fri 06:54 pm

Quoting miss_ceyda:

Quoting mltm:

Notice that:
The verbs are made passive.
yanmak is already a passive verb in turkish. (ağacı yakmak: to burn a tree, but "ağaç yanıyor": the tree is burning)



so does this mean that all verbs that end with k before their -mek suffix adopt an n when made passive??
please give me some more examples.


also, are these correct?..
yenmiş börek
saklanmış olabilir

6.       erdinc
2151 posts
 04 Mar 2006 Sat 12:14 am

'yenmiş' and 'saklanmış' are correct.

It is better to accept yakmak and yanmak as two different verbs. Yakmak is "to burn" as in "Bu evi yakmak istiyorum" (I want to burn this house) and yanmak is "to burn up" as in "ağaç yandı" (The tree has burnd up).

Yakmak is the action who does burn something. Yanmak is the action of something that burns up. We can say "sıcaktan yanıyorum" (I'm burning from the hot weather, it is too hot for me). We can also say "İçim yanıyor" which means "my inside is burning (of unhappiness or regret)". So I think it is better to accept "yanmak" as a different verb.

Yakmak has a passive form which is yakılmak (to be burnt).

Bu ağacı yakacağım.
Bu ağaç yakılacak.


7.       miss_ceyda
2627 posts
 06 Mar 2006 Mon 12:22 pm

sağolun hocam

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