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1.       bab
31 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 01:13 am

'Valley of the Wolfes'
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=national&alt=&hn=29696

EU Praises Turkish PM and Chief of Gen. Staff
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=politics&alt=&hn=28895

Gul: Amnesty Laws Encourage Crimes
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=politics&alt=&hn=28845

Headscarfs & the council of state
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=national&alt=&hn=29678
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=national&alt=&hn=29779

Threats in Semdinli Case, 'Don't Dig in'
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=politics&alt=&hn=28447

Turkey in Foreign Capital at Top 20
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=economy&alt=&hn=29782

Calculations in Inflation Rate Precise and Reliable
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=economy&alt=&hn=29744

Avalanche Falls On Mountaineers In Nigde, Killing 4
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=107837

2.       ramayan
2633 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 02:11 am

btw i wana talk about valles of wolves

i cant understand why americans getting angry when others make same films as they did...dis film made in american style;a hero saving everything and national feeling trying to strengthen...but strange they didnt like dis when turkish film pruducers did same thing,strange they dont like shot by same gun that they produce.....it shows wad americans doing in iraq so they disnt like....



any comment on ds film????
im curious about ur feelings

3.       mikebeck
7 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 04:04 am

I am an American with many Turkish friends here in the US and in Turkey. I have seen the trailers and discussed with my Turkish friends. I am looking forward to seeing the movie. Many US citizens have questions and not all are afraid to see a different view of how the world sees us. The US is full of wonderful Turkish people and wonderful American people. Don't let the media or movies shape how we think of each other. We are all better than that, insallah. We all have our good, God qualities.

4.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 09:07 am

Ramayan think that with the eye that as foreigners wanted to broadcast a movie which was defending the so-called Armenian genocide...

no body wants their name annouced badly.. do you? think that i am sure you will find out

5.       ramayan
2633 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 10:28 am

hey first of all i dont wana offend someone here...i just write to criticise..this is a film and show the wiev of eastern people to the western in iraq..but its strange they dont want this kind of films...of course im not talking about whole western people ...but they created a style in film industry and Turks also imitate their style...

and these words''american,western people,europeans''are general words and i hope i dont offend someone...here we r just sharing ideas..

any more idea???more comment???

6.       mikebeck
7 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 10:10 pm

I am not offended. I enjoy talking with my friends in Turkey and hearing what they think of the US. You would be surprised how many Americans will like to see this movie and will not think it is bad for the US. If we are a democratic, open nation like we say, we can listen to what other people say about us. That is good for us and other nations to talk and listen. We need more of that.

7.       pa_ladyfyre
8 posts
 16 Feb 2006 Thu 10:47 pm

I heard of this movie from my Turkish boyfriend. I am not offended and I am American. I have to agree with mikebeck. If the US is as open minded as it says it is, the people will not be offended and will probably go watch it. However, there will be some people who will speak out against it, since "they" may think it portrays American military as bad. It is like the movie "Midnight Express" that offended some Turkish people, because it shows the Turkish police in a "bad light". But No country's people want to see the "bad" side of their lives and culture, especially as it is seen through someone else's eyes. A movie is artistic expression and should be kept that way... as a movie. If someone doesn't like what the movie is about, then they shouldn't go watch it. Noone is making them see it anyway. As for me, I hope to watch it in Turkey and in the US... I always like a good action movie

8.       bab
31 posts
 17 Feb 2006 Fri 12:29 pm

American Actors Support 'Valley of the Wolves: Iraq'
By Anadolu News Agency (aa), Washington
Published: Thursday, February 16, 2006
zaman.com



Billy Zane and Gary Busey have been denigrated by the American press for acting the “anti-American” Turkish film, Kurtlar Vadisi-Iraq (Valley of the Wolves: Iraq), based on a popular television series.

Two guests on Wednesday criticized the roles of Zane and Busey, during the program hosted by Joe Scarborough on MSNBC television.

Writer Grady Hendrix, contrary to Scarborough and Catholic Union Chief Bill Donahue, said during the program that not upholding the right of freedom of expression would be an anti-American attitude.

Zane said he admired the "sound debates" accompanying the film; however, he, as an actor, played an interesting role that did not send a political message.

Busey’s lawyer also defended his client, "Have we reached a time when we impose freedom of expression by force?."

9.       Lyndie
968 posts
 17 Feb 2006 Fri 04:19 pm

i saw this film in Turkey last week and while I don't want to joing the political debate about it right now, because i will talk forever . What I do want to say is this.

I clearly couldn't understand the film's dialogue because my turkish is not up to it, but what I can say seemed clear to me (and confirmed by the Turk I went to the cinema with) is that the American soliders weren't actually acting strictly under legitimate American orders. They were led by a 'renegade' commander who was making money out of the war. So I suppose the message is the same as someone else has already said, don't judge a whole nation on the basis of what a) is just a film and b)probably best not to join the debate at all until you see the film.

You definitely can't get a true flavour of the film by reading the advertising and or critiques. One critique I read describes, sensationally, a small boy being 'filled with lead' at the very beginning of the film. This did happen, but the storyline shows this as being an accidental death caused by a very jumpy soldier with an automatic weapon. Which is not how the sensationalist critique describes it. So you have to see it to make an objective judgement.

There are some horrific scenes in this film (as well as the one I described above)there's no denying, but I think it would be wrong to believe it has some kind of implied documentary purpose. It shows the full horror of any armed conflict in an occupied country from one side only (as all films of this genre do!)

If there is any criticism to be levelled, I think we might also wonder how, the real 'heroes' of the film - Polat et al, Turkish mafia, who went to Iraq to make money from the conflict emerged not just as heroes in the film, but remarkably unscathed when it comes to public criticism.

Its my understanding that the so called Turkish Mafia, get away with a hell of a lot of serious organised crime, extortion etc - putting many small businesses under terrible financial strain, often to the point of closure and the authorities do very little about it. I don't know enough about this to state what effect this type of crime has on an already fragile economy, but I'm guessing at the very least these people cause terrible hardship to a lot of honest, hardworking people.

Anyway, that's just my view and another issue I'd like to see debated because this film shouldn't just be about 'Yank bashing' because to do so would also miss the point that the film was actually about the Turkish Mafia cashing in on the suffering of fellow muslims.

Apart from all that it was a thrilling adventure. My own personal complaint is that turkish cinemas do not sell sweet popcorn!

10.       karekin04
565 posts
 20 Dec 2006 Wed 02:52 am

Quoting ramayan:

btw i wana talk about valles of wolves

i cant understand why americans getting angry when others make same films as they did...dis film made in american style;a hero saving everything and national feeling trying to strengthen...but strange they didnt like dis when turkish film pruducers did same thing,strange they dont like shot by same gun that they produce.....it shows wad americans doing in iraq so they disnt like....



any comment on ds film????
im curious about ur feelings


I don't think they don't like it because its showing what "Americans" are doing Iraq. People need to see what "American Military" following government orders are doing in Iraq. Americans don't get to see enough on the media to show whats "really" going on in the world... so please don't group American "citizens" with American government. They only get to see what the media supplies them and when you own the media its very easy to control what the American people get to see. Its hard to believe what you don't know.

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