Quoting catwoman:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting catwoman: Quoting adonis: only stupid people have to sit down on their cradles, careful and noble people can take their honour to live independently. why did you pick the first option again?

Quoting adonis:

in order to show your simple minds. it's very easy for being court jesters in a web site...

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting janissary:

if we are here now, if we have a mother language, if we have a country called "TURKIYE" or if we have freedom after all those attacts to Anatolia everytime in history (in gallipolli, in independence war, fight against terrorism,,and others), we owe all of these to faithful mothers. Turkish mothers send their sons to army for sacrificing in the sake of homeland. in advance it was like this and now it s. everything can change in the world, but not culture. I dont want other ppl understand us, it s useless. they can not understand what does it mean if a mother make henna to his son's hand when she sends him to army. maybe Bülent Ersoy is very far from turkish culture, that s why she talked like this. but she must not forget that if she has the name "bülent" and speaking turkish, she owes these to mothers who send their unique and the only son to army. so, I do not defend her. she has no right to talk instead of turkish mothers.

Quoting Deli_kizin:

I havent read the entire thread, but just to Janissary.. do you think all those mothers willingly sent their sons to the war? Look at the nickname you choose You should know better!


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I am not saying one shouldnt be thankful for people who safeguarded the future of their country. I still keep two minutes silence at the remembrance day of WWII. But that is not the discussion here. Nor is the discussion whether we all think that this current war is good, bad, should go on, should be stopped. The discussion was about whether such a saying is crime enough to be imprisoned. And it is not

She did not hurt anyone, as she made a perfectly personal statement, about what SHE would do.
You may say: she hurts the mothers who lost their child in the war.

1. Mother who want to send their child to war, know that there is a possibility that he will become a şehit. This is something respectful, as the mothers wanted their sons to defend their land.
2. Mothers who did nto want to send their son to war but had to, will only agree.

I hope this ridicule will end soon.

Quoting janissary:

where were ur mind when u were in turkey Deli kızın

have u ever been in a Bus station when ppl sending boys to army? you would see ppl dancing, singing, halay, horon...of course mothers cry after their son and they are proud of them.


No I have not

maybe u only met some ppl who are against this.

Actually I dont know.. and I wasnt sayıng I am agaınst army duty, I was merely saying that I am sure there are enough women who are against that war and who do not want to send their sons!

u missed some words of me, he/she can talk about it and say his/her thoughts but the time she talked about it was not true.

I misunderstood you then. I thought you were sayıng you agree with her being charged!

about my nickname; I love my country, and I will go to army willingly one day. I hope u understand somethings from my nickname now...

Thats all very nice, but most of the soldiers in the derviş system didnt go willingly like you would They were taken away from their families, put in special trainingcamps, raised in an islamic way for around 8 years with a strict military training. Through this intensive training they became loyal to sultan, but evenetually could climb up in the hierarchy. At the end of the day, they may have forgotten they were forced to do so, converted to another religion etc. but still..

Quoting janissary:

I think u mean women whose sons are terrorists or some women in DTP.

about jannisarries; where have u learnt history yes it s true that they were foreign children but how do you know they werent going to war willingly. or did u learn this from ur grand grand dad? they were the children who had no family and mostly died in the wars.