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Dalyan Tombs?
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10.       alameda
3499 posts
 13 Jun 2008 Fri 10:32 pm

Quoting Norae:

The Tombs are Lycian. Lycia was especially famous for the Lycian League which was a network of city states that were quite democratic. There is book on Lycia by George E. Bean that while informative practically put me to sleep when I read a few years ago.

Here is a fairly good article on the tombs.
Lycian Tombs



I visited them when driving from Antalya to Bursa. It was amazing! I was with a car full of Turks at the time and all they knew about them was that they were some type of tombs. I was able to walk right up and could have walked inside...but didn't...

When I got back I looked them up and found it was an amazing culture. It was one of the first democracies, in fact.

Lycia and the American Constitution

11.       libralady
5152 posts
 13 Jun 2008 Fri 10:51 pm

Quoting alameda:

Quoting Norae:

The Tombs are Lycian. Lycia was especially famous for the Lycian League which was a network of city states that were quite democratic. There is book on Lycia by George E. Bean that while informative practically put me to sleep when I read a few years ago.

Here is a fairly good article on the tombs.
Lycian Tombs



I visited them when driving from Antalya to Bursa. It was amazing! I was with a car full of Turks at the time and all they knew about them was that they were some type of tombs. I was able to walk right up and could have walked inside...but didn't...

When I got back I looked them up and found it was an amazing culture. It was one of the first democracies, in fact.

Lycia and the American Constitution



Not sure you can drive up to the Rock tombs at Dalyan as they are beside the river and situated quite high with no evidence of any roads. You have to take a boat from Dalyan and go to one of the jetties. Not sure that you can actually visit the tombs officially, although there are boat trips to Caunos ruins.

12.       bydand
755 posts
 13 Jun 2008 Fri 10:52 pm

Quote:

We saw the tombs last year, but apparently there a several myths about them. Some people seem to think they were made just for tourists in the 1980's but others say they have been there thousands of years and all the treasures they held have been plundered over the years. It is a shame that no one has posted you a response with their version.



I first saw them in the early 90's Libralady and they looked fairly old even then,certainly no sign of cement mixers or scaffolding
I have inserted a picture in my profile as proof

13.       libralady
5152 posts
 14 Jun 2008 Sat 12:03 am

Quote:

Quoting bydand:

We saw the tombs last year, but apparently there a several myths about them. Some people seem to think they were made just for tourists in the 1980's but others say they have been there thousands of years and all the treasures they held have been plundered over the years. It is a shame that no one has posted you a response with their version.



I first saw them in the early 90's Libralady and they looked fairly old even then,certainly no sign of cement mixers or scaffolding
I have inserted a picture in my profile as proof



The one's who think they have only been there a few years are the cynics! It is pretty obvious they are ancient relics! But our tour guide took delight in getting everyone on our boat trip to try guess how old they are!

14.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 14 Jun 2008 Sat 12:20 am

Lycian Tombs

http://www.livius.org/a/turkey/xanthus/xanthus_lycian_tomb2.JPG



http://www.livius.org/a/turkey/xanthus/xanthus.html

http://www.livius.org/a/turkey/myra/myra01.html

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.livius.org/a/turkey/halicarnassus/mausoleum_amazon_frieze1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.livius.org/a/turkey/halicarnassus/halicarnassus2.html&h=467&w=600&sz=60&hl=en&start=12&um=1&tbnid=MLYpgm9IesANvM:&tbnh=105&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtimotheus%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

15.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Jun 2008 Sat 12:30 am

Quoting libralady:

Not sure you can drive up to the Rock tombs at Dalyan as they are beside the river and situated quite high with no evidence of any roads. You have to take a boat from Dalyan and go to one of the jetties. Not sure that you can actually visit the tombs officially, although there are boat trips to Caunos ruins.



I just uploaded photographic proof....if you look at my profile you can see it. There are many different types of tombs....some only seen from the water, some from the road.

16.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 14 Jun 2008 Sat 12:34 am

what an eye opener, Alameda, thank you so very much for giving us an insight!
http://www.lycianturkey.com/lycia-american-constitution.htm

even more food for thought!!!
Lycian Tombs
All pre-Greek people of Anatolia built beautiful monumental tombs associated with some form of ancestor worship. The Lycians developed this form of art to perfection, no doubt facilitated by the soft limestone of the region. The quality of stonemasonry of the Lycian people is noteworthy and is especially significant in the construction of tombs. Today the entire landscape of Lycia is still dotted with their fascinating funerary monuments. The most recent count has revealed one thousand and eighty-five examples still intact, rock-cut tombs being the most common form. Lycia is famous for the sheer number of tombs and their quality.

One thing that sets Lycian tombs apart from Hellenistic tradition is that whereas in Hellenistic culture the dead were placed outside of liveable areas (often flanking main roads into the cities), Lycian tombs are often integrated right into cities, displaying Lycia's ties with eastern traditions. This is very noticeable, for instance, at Patara, where monumental tombs are proudly placed right alongside the harbor. A monumental temple-tomb is even located beside the huge imperial granary and the main trade center. The Lycians, in effect, were always living with their departed ones.

The Lycians seem to have held a belief that the souls of their dead would be transported from the tombs to the afterworld by a sort of winged siren-like creature, and so often placed their tombs along the coast or at the top of cliffs when they were not integrated into the liveable areas of the cities.

The originality of Lycian art is special among that of ancient Anatolia, expressed especially in its funeral architecture, reliefs and sculpture. Though is was impacted by a variety of foreign influences, it retained a typically Lycian character. Bas reliefs and engraved drawing have been found on 36 Lycian rock tombs; mythological scenes, funerary feasts, battles and animal and figural motifs are some of the themes of the reliefs which are found on tombs dated to the first quarter of the 4th century BC. They have Greek and Persian elements as well as those of Lycian styles (Lycia had contact with the Greek world and was under Persain control for many years during the BC centuries). This is usually expressed (and is especially seen in the dynastic tombs of Xanthos) as a mixture of Persian iconography and Greek style overlaying the Lycian architectural core. For example, scenes depicting funerary feasts, banquet scenes, the inclusion of an audience and hunt and battle scenes are a direct Persian influence and were widespread in the funerary art of Achaemenid Anatolia. (The Harpy Tomb and Nereid Monument of Xanthos are two such examples) Persian influence can also be seen in the smallest details, such as the manner in which a horse is conducted. The clothing and headgear of warriors is often another Persian influence. Greek influence is apparent in mythological scenes and style. Lions, a favorite Lycian royal symbol, are often seen in their funerary art, especially at Cibyra, which had a "resting lion" motif as its symbol.

Round shaped altars decorated with inscriptions or ornamentation were sometimes placed near tombs, such as a necropolis at Patara, and these were used to make sacrificial offerings for the dead. Buried offerings for the dead were varied. Tombs have been found with tear collection bottles, terra-cotta statuettes and people were buried with their jewellery. Coins were placed in the mouths of the dead for payment to Charon. It is sometimes possible to determine the social standing of the person within a tomb, a writer might be buried with a plume and inkbottle. Unfortunately, most tombs have been looted by robbers. This must have been a problem even in the ancient times, since so many tomb insriptions are curses against desecrators (see below 'care of the tombs').

http://www.lycianturkey.com/lycian_tombs.htm


17.       libralady
5152 posts
 14 Jun 2008 Sat 12:39 am

Quoting alameda:

Quoting libralady:

Not sure you can drive up to the Rock tombs at Dalyan as they are beside the river and situated quite high with no evidence of any roads. You have to take a boat from Dalyan and go to one of the jetties. Not sure that you can actually visit the tombs officially, although there are boat trips to Caunos ruins.



I just uploaded photographic proof....if you look at my profile you can see it. There are many different types of tombs....some only seen from the water, some from the road.



Fantastic photo! My son visited some tombs near Gocek but that was a climb up from the boat mooring. The ones we could see in Dalyan were very close to the river. I think the history of them is pretty amazing.

18.       alameda
3499 posts
 14 Jun 2008 Sat 12:41 am

Quoting Roswitha:

what an eye opener, Alameda, thank you so very much for giving us an insight!



My pleasure Roswitha...and thank you for being nice.

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