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Verb to be
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10 Jul 2008 Thu 05:11 pm |
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Hello everybody,
I'm little confused with verb to be endings, in this lesson
Pronouns 1
when i say they are beautiful: Onlar güzel-ler. --> Güzeller.
while in another lesson
The simple present form (aorist) of the verb 'to be'
when i say they are English: Onlar İngiliz(dirler).
Somebody please tell me when to use the ending (ler) or (dirler).
Thanks a lot.
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10 Jul 2008 Thu 05:31 pm |
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11 Jul 2008 Fri 03:27 pm |
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Check this:
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_6_21058
If you have still questions, you may ask here again 
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11 Jul 2008 Fri 05:09 pm |
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Thank you very much caliptrix, but forgive me i just wanna be sure about it...
You mean that i may use ler or dirler for formal speech or i may not use them at all in informal one.
for example:
Onlar güzeller.
Onlar güzeldirler.
Onlar güzel.
Are all of the above correct?
çok teşekürler.
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11 Jul 2008 Fri 05:20 pm |
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Quoting zizoo: Thank you very much cliptrix, but forgive me i just wanna be sure about it...
You mean that i may use ler or dirler for formal speech or i may not use them at all in informal one.
for example:
Onlar güzeller.
Onlar güzeldirler.
Onlar güzel.
Are all of the above true?
çok teşekürler. |
As a Turkish, I can say they're true, they can be understand an ordinary person in Turkey but I'm not certain about the grammar rule.
But I can say my opinion "onlar güzeller" is used for people not things.
bir şey değil.
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12 Jul 2008 Sat 10:12 pm |
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Quoting zizoo: Thank you very much caliptrix, but forgive me i just wanna be sure about it...
You mean that i may use ler or dirler for formal speech or i may not use them at all in informal one.
for example:
Onlar güzeller.
Onlar güzeldirler.
Onlar güzel.
Are all of the above correct?
çok teşekürler. |
All of them are correct. There is no "informal" or "formal" issue here. In Turkish, if plural subject is clear that it is plural, you may not use -lar/ler suffix in the verb. For that reason, "Onlar güzel" and "Onlar güzeller" are same. We generally prefer without -lar/ler if it is clear that it is plural subject.
-dir problem is as I gave the link, there are some usages of -dir suffix. You cannot say directly "that is this". It can be a "guess" for example, so you are using -dir. Or maybe you are giving an encyclopedical information, or maybe you are a speaker and giving some information to your listeners. In this case, maybe you can call is "formal" but the other usage without -dir is NOT INFORMAL either. For that reason, you cannot say "this is formal, other is informal" << this is wrong.
Another thing about -dir is an accent from East/South-east Anatolia. They use the verbs with -dir more than other dialects/accents in Turkey.
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12 Jul 2008 Sat 11:30 pm |
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Herkes teşekkürler
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