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The Issue of the Veil
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 11:41 pm |
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Thank you,you also has put your inquiry in a way that made me gladly answer it
Thank you 
Quoting silversong: I´m sure we will debate some more |
You can count on that 
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21 Jul 2008 Mon 11:52 pm |
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Quoting CANLI: Thank you,you also has put your inquiry in a way that made me gladly answer it
Thank you
Quoting silversong: I´m sure we will debate some more |
You can count on that |
But I´m sure you understand that its not a choice that everyone makes
and here lies my reservations
another debate another time
did I tell you I like to get the last word 
thanks for your time and your patience
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 12:08 am |
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I am just wondering how many choices we made freely.
we haven´t choosen our names,religion in 99%of cases,our families,believes that were imposed on us in the process of social domestication.How many?
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 12:16 am |
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Quoting Avalon: I am just wondering how many choices we made freely.
we haven´t choosen our names,religion in 99%of cases,our families,believes that were imposed on us in the process of social domestication.How many? |
We make very little choice till we hit our teens, then all hellll breaks loose
remember that
then we conform
ahh to be a teenager again
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 12:31 am |
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Quoting Avalon: I am just wondering how many choices we made freely.
we haven´t choosen our names,religion in 99%of cases,our families,believes that were imposed on us in the process of social domestication.How many?[ |
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 12:37 am |
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Quoting Avalon: I am just wondering how many choices we made freely.
we haven´t choosen our names,religion in 99%of cases,our families,believes that were imposed on us in the process of social domestication.How many? |
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 02:32 am |
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Quoting zizoo: Here is the verse that states that all Muslim women should wear the "hijab":
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband´s fathers, their sons, their husbands´ sons, their brothers or their brothers´ sons, or their sisters´ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. [Sura: 24, Verse: 31]
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Now..
By looking at the life styles we have today; the way the equality between men and women progressing, can anybody put their hands on their hearts and say that ´yes..it is so true´?
look at this..how come nobody is looking at this from a different angle?
-how come you do NOT think that ´why on earth this thing is saying that only women should cover but NOT men´? any sensible answer to that apart from ´ah women are weak´ or ´it is god´s order so that it can not be questioned´?
-why nobody thinks that if it was absolutely necessary for women to be covered, why on earth GOD did not send it with Adam in the first place and waited for the fabric to be invented. or why did he not send this rule with Christianity? (was he experimenting?)
-Why is above statement creating confusion about what to wear how to wear etc?. is that because god did not see what was happening on the other parts of the world and send it for the arabs only?
-Why is that poor American Indians did not know anything about this for centuries and let their women commit sins by letting them walk around uncovered? (since it was sent to everybody why did GOD did not send anybody to them?)
-What about Eskimos for example? African women? they barely wore anything for centuries because nobody told them..did they? why is this unfairness?
anyway..lets dont drift from the subject with Eskimos and Indians
But honestly, you are doing pick and mix there..
You are picking some of the verses which you think they fit(mainly men picking up on that verse of course)
When it comes to some other verses, you are ignoring them(ie..hand chopping..it is clearly mentioned in Kuran as well..)
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 02:38 am |
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Quoting thehandsom:
look at this..how come nobody is looking at this from a different angle?
-how come you do NOT think that ´why on earth this thing is saying that only women should cover but NOT men´? any sensible answer to that apart from ´ah women are weak´ or ´it is god´s order so that it can not be questioned´?
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haa,haa,haaa
İ guess you can have a better answer than that to your own question
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 02:44 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting thehandsom:
look at this..how come nobody is looking at this from a different angle?
-how come you do NOT think that ´why on earth this thing is saying that only women should cover but NOT men´? any sensible answer to that apart from ´ah women are weak´ or ´it is god´s order so that it can not be questioned´?
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haa,haa,haaa
İ guess you can have a better answer than that to your own question |
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 03:53 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting silversong:
I dont know you, and I can´t pretend to understand your beliefs
But I want to ask you about freedom of choice
Say you are married and have a daughter, you and/or your husband decided that it is right when your daughter reaches a certain age she should cover her modesty in accordance with the teachings of Islam
she rejects this
do you respect her freedom of choice, and would her decision affect your impression of her and ultimatiely your love for her |
İ will make it even better to you,
When i reached that age,my parents didnt even bring that up
Then when i grow up more,after i´ve finished Uni,i decided to wear my hijab
My parents were against it,and asked me to take a time to think and rethink about it before i do it
İ did,and i wear it,i have put it on.
İt was totally my choice
So yes,if i have a daughter,and when she reaches that age,i will advice her to
wear it,because its an order from ALLAH
İf she reject,then its her choice infront of ALLAH,i would have made my duty and adviced her,the rest is up to her. |
Sorry I´m not picking on you its just your are willing to discuss this subject with me and for that I thank you
I understand that your are free to make this choice and you do so in the name of Allah
I have no religious beliefs so this concept is totally alien to me, as are most religious practices from all faiths
but my main problem with this idea, and I mentioned it in a previous post, is why have women been instructed to cover their modesty while men have no such burden put upon them, where is the equality
I guess if I were to subscribe to any religion it would nerd to be one where men and women were treated equally
thanks again for your time and patience
as I said before, just another point of view on the subject
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22 Jul 2008 Tue 04:23 am |
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Quoting silversong:
Sorry I´m not picking on you its just your are willing to discuss this subject with me and for that I thank you
I understand that your are free to make this choice and you do so in the name of Allah
I have no religious beliefs so this concept is totally alien to me, as are most religious practices from all faiths
but my main problem with this idea, and I mentioned it in a previous post, is why have women been instructed to cover their modesty while men have no such burden put upon them, where is the equality
I guess if I were to subscribe to any religion it would nerd to be one where men and women were treated equally
thanks again for your time and patience
as I said before, just another point of view on the subject |
Mmmmmmm,you´re just being so nice that you are pulling me to such debat  lol
Actually i dont mind
Specially that we didnt have such debat together before,if we did,talked at same topic from same concept,then more likely i wont hop into it again.
İ saw your previous post and i just thought it will be replied so i didnt reply it
Who says that men arent ordered to cover also ?
They are ordered to cover from waist till knees
And its a plain order too.
And who said the burden all is upon women ?
Men ORDERED to lower their gaze also,and women also ordered same.
So we both dressed modest,and also we both ordered to lower our gaze
Quoting silversong:
Would it not be better to advise men to treat women with dignity and respect rather than put the burden of some mens thoughts buy asking women to cover their beauty
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And there are many verses in Qur´an too where men ordered to treat women gently
Quoting silversong:
are men incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of Islam
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Ehhhmmmm,my dear friend,men are incapable of taking resposibility for their own actions in the eyes of EVERYONE
No offence guys 
Ps: i will pm you an article about it,i just found
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