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What is wrong with the internet in Turkey?
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10.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 19 Aug 2008 Tue 04:16 pm

What is amazing is that they haven´t seem to have learned anything from the Chinese government´s attempts to ban sites on the internet. Like Clinton said, cencorship of the intenet is like trying to nail jello on the wall. In AKP´s case, the jello may be substituted with yoghurt.

 

A lot of the sites that have been banned under müstehcenlik seem to be banned one day and operational the next. Some hardcore sites are fully functional and yet wickedweasel-like bikini sites are unreachable. They must have something deep against tiny thongs, visible ass-cracks, and see-through micro bikinis. If they are after the porn sites on the net, they should try to ban them all, as they all fall under the müstehcenlik factor (according to their beliefs.)

 

Additionally, when you ban a site lke blogger.com, you also ban thousands of bloggers who have nothing to do with this act. If they are going to ban a site collectively because ofa few venom-spewing clowns, then they might as well ban all major search engines like google or yahoo as well.

 

 

11.       catwoman
8933 posts
 19 Aug 2008 Tue 06:59 pm

 

Quoting cynicmystic

Additionally, when you ban a site lke blogger.com, you also ban thousands of bloggers who have nothing to do with this act. If they are going to ban a site collectively because ofa few venom-spewing clowns, then they might as well ban all major search engines like google or yahoo as well.

 

Thes "venom-spewing clowns" are probably also citizens of your country. What gives you more right to voice your opininos then them? If what these people say is so obviously wrong, it should not be a problem to debate with them. The most basic human right is to be able to express your opinions, no matter if somebody else lik you, likes it! What if those people call you a clown and decide that you have no right to say what you believe?

12.       lady in red
6947 posts
 21 Aug 2008 Thu 02:28 pm

Quoting lady in red: 

This site is banned too - www.geocities.com

 

Quoting Trudy

I don´t think it´s censored as I - in the Netherlands - can´t access it either, it says: sorry, the page requested is not found.

 

Nope!  It´s banned - this is the message we get:

 

Access to this web site is banned by "TELEKOMÜNİKASYON İLETİŞİM BAŞKANLIĞI" according to the order of: ANKARA 9.SULH CEZA MAHKEMESİ, 04/02/2008 of 2008/140.

 

13.       Trudy
7887 posts
 21 Aug 2008 Thu 03:03 pm

www.geocities.com/ft/cookery that part cannot be found here but indeed, the main site here is not banned.

 

Quoting lady in red

Quoting lady in red: 

This site is banned too - www.geocities.com

 

Nope!  It´s banned - this is the message we get:

 

Access to this web site is banned by "TELEKOMÜNİKASYON İLETİŞİM BAŞKANLIĞI" according to the order of: ANKARA 9.SULH CEZA MAHKEMESİ, 04/02/2008 of 2008/140.

 

 

14.       Trudy
7887 posts
 25 Aug 2008 Mon 09:59 am

While the number of blocked web sites reached to 853, including popular YouTube, several web sites and blogs block themselves as an act of protest to draw attention to the increasing censorship over the Internet.


 


It all started with the blocking of YouTube, for the third time in May, for insulting Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, the founder of the Republic. This was the last straw that sparked a nationwide protest campaign spreading throughout Turkey´s cyber world, where the number of blocked Web sites has now reached 853.


 


In a counter protest, several Turkish blogs and Web sites have begun blocking themselves. This self-imposed ban started when blogger Fırat Yıldız put the message, “Access to this Web site is prevented by its owner´s free will,” on his blog, elma+alt+shift. Ironically, Yıldız was copying the censor´s message, “The access to this Web site is prevented by court order,” that is placed on Web sites blocked by authorities.


 


Next, another Turkish blogger, Selim Yörük, created the Web site www.sansüresansür.org (censor to censor) with a linked code that allows any blogger to add the same message to his homepage.


 


Many others followed Yıldız and by Wednesday, the last day of the campaign, more than 400 Web sites and blogs had temporarily shut themselves down.


 


“Blockings are arbitrary. Moreover, these became routine acts. Our campaign was an experiment to demonstrate how the Internet would look if censorship continues unabated, and we did that. We wanted to shock people,” Selim Yörük told the Turkish Daily News.


 


“We wanted to attract attention to the fact that our freedom is taken away, day by day. Today, they shut down the Internet and, tomorrow, it will come to newspapers and magazines,” he said. “Such blockings should cease to be routine practice. People get used to them. If one Web site is blocked, they turn to another. They are not conscious about censorship. This is really dangerous,” he said.


 


“Authorities do not know how to deal with the Internet, therefore they shut Web sites down as they see fit,” said Orhan Bilgin, founder of the Web-dictionary, Zargan, which also participated in the campaign, adding that the recent regulations on the Internet were far from transparent. “Web sites are shut down without proper justification. It´s totally arbitrary.”


 


It does not take much of an offense to get a Web site banned in Turkey. Courts can close Web sites for eight different crimes, which include child pornography, insulting Atatürk, and encouraging suicide, according to Article 5651 of the Penal Code. The point that draws reaction is the fact that almost any complaint to a lower court can result in a Web site being blocked.


 


YouTube has become a symbol of the censorship issue in Turkey as access to the site is frequently blocked due to its hosting videos insulting Atatürk. Although access to those videos is forbidden in Turkey, it is possible to view them by changing proxy settings. The prosecutor´s office also demands the videos be removed from the site. For this, YouTube would have to open a representative office in Turkey, obtain necessary permits and pay taxes. YouTube has refused to open such an office, arguing that it is not a Turkish firm and it is not necessary for it to be subject to Turkish law.


 


The Internet Department, working within the scope of the Telecommunications Authority of Turkey, continues to block Web sites both due to individual´s complaints as well as following its own inspections. More than 20,000 individual complaints have been made to the Internet Department. Proceedings have begun for half of these complaints, officials said.


 


“Of course there will be limitations. Do you think that everything is free in other countries?” said Dicle Eroğul, general secretary of Turkish Informatics Foundation, or TAB. “However these need to be done by taking into account the opinion of wider sections of the society,” she said, adding that they supported the self-censorship protest.


 


“Although it was a rather late reaction, I believe it is an appropriate protest,” Eroğul said, stressing that she believed the problem was rooted in legal regulations, especially Article 5651. “The Internet law in Turkey is too complex and creates a confusion of concepts. Moreover, its philosophy is based upon bans. Blocking is one thing, controlling is another,” she said.


 


Zargan´s Bilgin signaled that Web site owners and bloggers would not stop at protesting.


 


“We are thinking of creating a forum, where Web site users would discuss the Internet situation in Turkey. As ´Zargan,´ we have over one million users. Then, we will publish a booklet of these discussions and send it to the authorities,” he said. Blogger Yörük said they would continue their activities via short films and posters reflecting on censorship to create increased awareness of this issue. 



Source: www.turkishdailynews.com.tr

15.       cynicmystic
567 posts
 07 Sep 2008 Sun 08:09 pm

 

Quoting catwoman

Thes "venom-spewing clowns" are probably also citizens of your country. What gives you more right to voice your opininos then them? If what these people say is so obviously wrong, it should not be a problem to debate with them. The most basic human right is to be able to express your opinions, no matter if somebody else lik you, likes it! What if those people call you a clown and decide that you have no right to say what you believe?

 

I was expectlng a dumb statement like this from you. But, then, I guess this is your capacity...

 

 

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