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An aniversary/ 6-7 september 1955- Istanbul Pogrom
1.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Sep 2008 Sun 03:10 pm

It is the 53rd aniversary of this shameful incident from our deep state  and nationalism

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=22723 (Mehmet Ali Birand -3 years ago)


Much later, we learned the Sept. 6-7 incidents were the doing of the infamous  deep state.  It was planned with government approval in order to let diplomats say  The people are reacting  during the U.N. discussions on Cyprus. However, it later got out of control and turned into a shameful plunder. It became a crime that the deep state could not handle, and it shamed the Turkish nation.

What´s interesting is that apart from a few injuries, no one was killed. It wasn´t a massacre. It was a disgusting plunder aimed at frightening people.
What´s even more interesting is the way Sept. 6-7 shamed us and hurt us and tainted us as a nation.
..
if we don´t criticize such incidents and apologize to the victims, we can never feel proud of ourselves.
Apologizing is enriching. It shows self-confidence.


 from wiki:

The pogrom greatly accelerated emigration of ethnic Greeks from the Istanbul region, reducing the 150,000-strong Greek minority in 1924 to about 2000.

Some quotes about history:
"Only a good-for-nothing is not interested in his past." Sigmund Freud
"Every past is worth condemning." Friedrich Nietzsche

2.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 07 Sep 2008 Sun 05:13 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

It is the 53rd aniversary of this shameful incident from our deep state and nationalism

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=22723 (Mehmet Ali Birand -3 years ago)


Much later, we learned the Sept. 6-7 incidents were the doing of the infamous deep state. It was planned with government approval in order to let diplomats say The people are reacting during the U.N. discussions on Cyprus. However, it later got out of control and turned into a shameful plunder. It became a crime that the deep state could not handle, and it shamed the Turkish nation.

What´s interesting is that apart from a few injuries, no one was killed. It wasn´t a massacre. It was a disgusting plunder aimed at frightening people.
What´s even more interesting is the way Sept. 6-7 shamed us and hurt us and tainted us as a nation.
..
if we don´t criticize such incidents and apologize to the victims, we can never feel proud of ourselves.
Apologizing is enriching. It shows self-confidence.


from wiki:

The pogrom greatly accelerated emigration of ethnic Greeks from the Istanbul region, reducing the 150,000-strong Greek minority in 1924 to about 2000.

Some quotes about history:
"Only a good-for-nothing is not interested in his past." Sigmund Freud
"Every past is worth condemning." Friedrich Nietzsche

 

 

 

It wasn`t an "incident from our deep state and nationalism" thehandsom(wondering why you didn`t say ergenekon this time). It was planned by the crappy democratic party and its corrupt leader Menderes whom our so called liberals love, but guess what happened to Menderes?

3.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Sep 2008 Sun 06:03 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

It wasn`t an "incident from our deep state and nationalism" thehandsom(wondering why you didn`t say ergenekon this time). It was planned by the crappy democratic party and its corrupt leader Menderes whom our so called liberals love, but guess what happened to Menderes?

ha ha
I was expecting you would post in this topic.
But i have to admit my prediction regarding what you were going say was: a youtube link with the text saying ´here is what real greeks are´.   (and I am expecting armegon will post something such as ´ this is the mother of lies´ )  lol
But anyway..
Of course the deeps state had different name and ergenekon as a name was not used at the time .
When you go and read abit more about how the things started etc, you will see the entire incident was arranged by the deep state and nationalism was used to agitate people (as usual)
- 6th of september 1955 at 13:0o TRT (Turkish radio television) anounces the bomb into the house where Ataturk was born in Selonica. The paper ´ İstanbul Ekspres´  printed the news in the afternoon (They printed 300.000 of them -their normal daily publising was 20.000-30.000. And later on, it was made public that they KNEW what would happen in advance and made some stock of paper)..
Of course this entire incident was the work of deep state (or Turkish intelligence-MIT or Ö.H.D. -Ozel harp dairesi- mother of deep state)..
-Later on it was discovered that almost in each district, the batons used were the same length and same grith; almost all the houses and offices belong to greeks were determined and some of them were marked. Police just watched. (they had orders that they would NOT interfere with any incidents apart from theft and fire..)
-Tempo magazin..page 24 9-15 June addition)
ex head of Ö.H.D., general Sabri Yirmibeşoğlu talking to the journalist Fatih Güllapoğlu:
-of course. 6-7 September incident was a work of Ö.H.D. and a splendid organization.

 

4.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 07 Sep 2008 Sun 06:20 pm

 

on 5 September 1955 a bomb was thrown at Ataturk’s house in Thessaloniki! This bombing made headline news in a special edition of the Ekspres newspaper owned by DP (Democrat Party) deputy Mithat Perin: ‘Our national father’s house bombed’.

 

http://www.timdrayton.com/sy.html

 

 

You`re proving yourself wrong thehandsom.

5.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 07 Sep 2008 Sun 07:07 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

on 5 September 1955 a bomb was thrown at Ataturk’s house in Thessaloniki! This bombing made headline news in a special edition of the Ekspres newspaper owned by DP (Democrat Party) deputy Mithat Perin: ‘Our national father’s house bombed’.

 

http://www.timdrayton.com/sy.html

 

 

You`re proving yourself wrong thehandsom.

 

I dont see where I was wrong to be honest

I said that this was the work of deep state and nationalism was used as a tool..

In the source you are giving also confirming the ´deep state´s involvment:

 

Well, who organised these events that started simultaneously in fifty-two different places in Istanbul? Who days earlier had prepared a list of minority-owned houses and workplaces?

In those days the young officer Sabri Yirmibesoglu, who rose to the rank of full general in the Turkish armed forces and held the post of general secretary in the National Security Council, was assigned to the Special War Unit, the Mobilisation Study Council.

Years later, having retired from the rank of full general, he took journalist Fatih Gullapoglu behind the scenes of the 6-7 September events:

    ‘- Then if we take the 6-7 September events,
    - Sorry, commander, I don’t quite understand. The events of 6-7 September?
    - Of course … 6-7 September was the work of Special War and was a splendid piece of organisation. It also achieved its aim. (I broke out in a cold sweat as the commander spoke these words.) I ask you. Was this not a splendid piece of organisation?
    - Oh, yes commander!’23

6.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 07 Sep 2008 Sun 07:11 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I dont see where I was wrong to be honest

I said that this was the work of deep state and nationalism was used as a tool..

In the source you are giving also confirming the ´deep state´s involvment:

 

Well, who organised these events that started simultaneously in fifty-two different places in Istanbul? Who days earlier had prepared a list of minority-owned houses and workplaces?

In those days the young officer Sabri Yirmibesoglu, who rose to the rank of full general in the Turkish armed forces and held the post of general secretary in the National Security Council, was assigned to the Special War Unit, the Mobilisation Study Council.

Years later, having retired from the rank of full general, he took journalist Fatih Gullapoglu behind the scenes of the 6-7 September events:

    ‘- Then if we take the 6-7 September events,
    - Sorry, commander, I don’t quite understand. The events of 6-7 September?
    - Of course … 6-7 September was the work of Special War and was a splendid piece of organisation. It also achieved its aim. (I broke out in a cold sweat as the commander spoke these words.) I ask you. Was this not a splendid piece of organisation?
    - Oh, yes commander!’23

 

do you agree that the deep state was dp then?

7.       armegon
1872 posts
 08 Sep 2008 Mon 05:01 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

(and I am expecting armegon will post something such as ´ this is the mother of lies´ ) 

 

 , i have just noticed this, Turkish-lover mr the handsom stoned me. As always he is biased, i remember i wrote something about the issue on a forum possibly at the same time with this article when this issue were popular on media, i think its like " The Incidents of 6-7 september was organized by government of DP later after army revolution DP leader and president Menderes judged, senteced to 6 years because of these incidents. These events are outrageousness for Turkia such a dirty collusion of Menderes government. These idiotic collusions made Turkia unright while she was rightful about the terrorist activities of EOKA in Cyprus. Later Turkia apologised and paid compensation to aggrieved ones"

Why i say these are lies, Menderes´s aim was to make Turkia little America which your beloved AKP and "çakma" liberals now nearly succeeded. I everytime say that Turkia has not been independent since 60´s, but you are unable to realize, i do not blame you, this is ur capability. Ohh btw dont accuse me with the samething that the agitations you made here to show how real Turks are by posting zillions of articles from the washington taraf . Remember the thread "For the sake of crucifix" which you show us how wonderful Turks are...

8.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 08 Sep 2008 Mon 07:53 pm

 

Quoting armegon

 , i have just noticed this, Turkish-lover mr the handsom stoned me. As always he is biased, i remember i wrote something about the issue on a forum possibly at the same time with this article when this issue were popular on media, i think its like " The Incidents of 6-7 september was organized by government of DP later after army revolution DP leader and president Menderes judged, senteced to 6 years because of these incidents. These events are outrageousness for Turkia such a dirty collusion of Menderes government. These idiotic collusions made Turkia unright while she was rightful about the terrorist activities of EOKA in Cyprus. Later Turkia apologised and paid compensation to aggrieved ones"

Why i say these are lies, Menderes´s aim was to make Turkia little America which your beloved AKP and "çakma" liberals now nearly succeeded. I everytime say that Turkia has not been independent since 60´s, but you are unable to realize, i do not blame you, this is ur capability. Ohh btw dont accuse me with the samething that the agitations you made here to show how real Turks are by posting zillions of articles from the washington taraf . Remember the thread "For the sake of crucifix" which you show us how wonderful Turks are...

 

You have different type of defence mechanism here and I am trying to make sense out of what it might be.. lol..
When I criticise American or British policies, most of the Americans or British people will say that "unfortunately it is true we have done those things as a country and I am ashamed of those incidents" and they will say it was our administration/PM  at the time etc.. But nobody will treat those incidents as if it was done by another country or as if their president/PM was from the Mars as you do..
You are treating this incident as if Adnan Menderes was from Ermenia..
He was the PM, he was representing  Turkey and he used dirty deep state for this incident.
Why dont you simply say that "Yes we have done it; we are guilty for it; we are ashamed of it and we are sorry for it".

Why is this so difficult for you?

Regarding "For the sake of crucifix" thread, please say something about the content of my translation. Dont pull down your defence mechanism to a new level when you have nothing to add!!
Regarding how wonderful we Turks are :


The rule is very simple .. we are not better than any nation and no nation is better than us..

Unfortunately,  it is difficult for the people, who grew up with chantings such as ´one turk is worth for the entire world´ and believed it without even questioning it, to comprehend what we really are.

9.       armegon
1872 posts
 09 Sep 2008 Tue 11:10 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

You have different type of defence mechanism here and I am trying to make sense out of what it might be.. lol..
When I criticise American or British policies, most of the Americans or British people will say that "unfortunately it is true we have done those things as a country and I am ashamed of those incidents" and they will say it was our administration/PM  at the time etc.. But nobody will treat those incidents as if it was done by another country or as if their president/PM was from the Mars as you do..
You are treating this incident as if Adnan Menderes was from Ermenia..
He was the PM, he was representing  Turkey and he used dirty deep state for this incident.
Why dont you simply say that "Yes we have done it; we are guilty for it; we are ashamed of it and we are sorry for it".

Why is this so difficult for you?

Regarding "For the sake of crucifix" thread, please say something about the content of my translation. Dont pull down your defence mechanism to a new level when you have nothing to add!!
Regarding how wonderful we Turks are :


The rule is very simple .. we are not better than any nation and no nation is better than us..

Unfortunately,  it is difficult for the people, who grew up with chantings such as ´one turk is worth for the entire world´ and believed it without even questioning it, to comprehend what we really are.

 

thehandsom, i am all aware of what we done through the Republic history and i never hesitate to voice and criticize them. Read again what i wrote in my post, "These events are outrageousness for Turkia", be sure that i will say the same about the events of Maraş or about the massacre in Sivas, curse the ones who caused them just like this. So my post is just a reply to your baseless accusations.

As for the thread "For the sake of crucifix", thread is about massacres in Khojaly, and you again posted an irrelevant article mentioning special tax, 1915 relocation bla bla, instead of saying "Yes they have done it, they are guilty for it" (that you advised me ), which shows your routine hypocracy .

 

btw what happened to the site today? i couldnt access...

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