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10.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 12:44 am

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 People should not be afraid to punish terrorists just because of public reaction.

 

 

 Yes. But one can be punished without receiving death penalty as well.

11.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 12:48 am

Revenge by execution may give some gut satisfaction, but that does not redeem it as sensible  policy for the Turkish Nation. Ocalan is helpless, he is in prison for life. His execution would make him a martyr and further incite violence in the Southeast.That is my humble opinion.

12.       vineyards
1954 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 01:07 am

There are a number of difficult to answer questions that split the public into camps like pro-abortion, pro-life, secular vs spiritual. Capital punishment is one such question you can never be certain about. Laws are designed to maintain order and to punish criminals and to compensate for the losses of victims.

 

In written form since Hammurabi, there have always been laws right or wrong and they have always been instrumental in keeping the order as long as they were fair to everyone. Punishment on the other hand has been historically used as a deterrent factor to prevent offensive people from commiting crime. The compensatory aspect of justice can only be truely understood by and is exclusively designed for victims of criminal activities. In the past, there were feuds among families triggered by a murder incident turning into a family cause. It is indeed a tragedy the dimensions of which can only be truely felt by those victims (kins of the murdered person).

 

For my own part, if someone broke in my house and killed my wife and/or my two month old baby; I would kill that person myself too. Normally what happens is these people serve five-ten years and quite comfortably if he/she is a hired gun under the protection of his baron. They are usually released due to good behaviour or when an amnesty is declared. Like it happened in Turkey a couple of years ago.

I am in favour of capital punishment but I may be wrong.

13.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 02:44 am

I am seriously against any type of capital punishments...
I believe that the most basic human right is ´right to life´..Obviously, capital punishment overrules this basic right.
When you add the possibility of errors and unfair judgments, it is a no no from my part..
Apart from being against the capital punishment, Hanging that guy would not do any good to Turkey. It would create a huge blood bath and it could even bring us to a point that ´we Kurds and Turks can not live together any more´.
It was not worth at the time, it will never be.

14.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 02:47 am

 It would create a huge blood bath

I agree, thehandsome

15.       MrX67
2540 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 11:57 am

i´m afraid  we will watch to final stage of ´´Kurd Problem´´in our great country as soon as if it goes this way.Dark ethnic political authorities trying their all power on crowded innocent people,so i think time to be more unit against to all dirty dark ethnical games by to be hand by hand more then ever without any ethnical prejudice,thats the fight of goods&bads,thats the fight of foxes and lambs,thats never fight of any ethnical groups.....!!!!!

16.       azade
1606 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 12:53 pm

 

Quoting Roswitha

Revenge by execution may give some gut satisfaction, but that does not redeem it as sensible  policy for the Turkish Nation. Ocalan is helpless, he is in prison for life. His execution would make him a martyr and further incite violence in the Southeast.That is my humble opinion.

 

 {#lang_emotions_flowers}

17.       kurtlovesgrunge
1435 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 02:05 pm

35000 innocent people are still sleeping in their longest sleep and this m....fucker is still drinking his tea listening to his radio,reading papers.....is THIS called "justice"?

18.       azade
1606 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 02:22 pm

I don´t understand capital punishment anyway - criminals are getting off really easy this way. As I see it it´s much harder rotting up in a prison for forever.

19.       vineyards
1954 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 02:59 pm

I found something interesting. It compares the US and other countries in terms of murder rate and other sorts of crime. Here are some excerpts:

 

"If we had had a crime rate equivalent to Turkey´s, just last year we would have had 543,860 fewer assaults, 116,440 fewer rapes, 670,808 fewer robberies, 14,806,908 fewer thefts, 305,300 fewer frauds, 648,372 fewer drug arrests, and 2,599,736 fewer juvenile delinquents, and the resulting lower demands on our justice system would have meant that 29,820 fewer judges and 41,180 fewer prosecutors would have been necessary to run our legal system.

Even though Turkey´s overall crime rate in 1990 was 189, 1/30th of ours (at 5,803) they´re not the only Muslim country with much lower crime rates than the US.  Iraq´s is half that of Turkey.  Egypt´s is one fourth that of Iraq.  Bottom line:  our crime rate in 1990 was 175 TIMES higher than Egypt´s crime rate.  And the crime rates in many other countries, Muslim or not, decreased during a period of time when ours increased.  For example, during the same time that our murder rate increased ten fold, the murder rate in Japan declined 22%. Just in the last 20 years, Japan´s incarceration rate declined 11%, but our incarceration rate quintupled in that time. However,  many Muslim countries have much lower overall crime rates than we do, which means that John Ashcroft´s moral authority in questioning the efficacy of Islam is seriously lacking [read: nonexistent]."

 

And here is the link:

 

http://christianparty.net/turkey.htm

 

 

20.       teaschip
3870 posts
 21 Oct 2008 Tue 07:33 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I am seriously against any type of capital punishments...
I believe that the most basic human right is ´right to life´..Obviously, capital punishment overrules this basic right.
When you add the possibility of errors and unfair judgments, it is a no no from my part..
Apart from being against the capital punishment, Hanging that guy would not do any good to Turkey. It would create a huge blood bath and it could even bring us to a point that ´we Kurds and Turks can not live together any more´.
It was not worth at the time, it will never be.

 

 

As you know I don´t believe in abortion, therefore believe that everyone should have a chance in life.  However, with that being said how many chances do you give a person?  Do you really think taking their freedom away and locking them up is enough punishment?  Look at how many prisoners serve their time are released on parole and find their way back to prison.  Doesn´t seem as though our prison system works either.

 

 

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