nobody forces those people to take part in idiotic shows. while your women are beaten up to death for honor and treated like slaves, you turkish men run and watch a brother or husband torture a helpless girl.

i feel sorry for your mentality, tami. shame on you. you dont have any counter arguement but look at america. shame shame. when i watched that vid my blood boiled i just wanted to be there and knock down all those brainless turkish men. were you there tami?

yes I was the one beating the woman.

 nobody forces those people to take part in idiotic shows. while your women are beaten up to death for honor and treated like slaves, you turkish men run and watch a brother or husband torture a helpless girl.

i feel sorry for your mentality, tami. shame on you. you dont have any counter arguement but look at america. shame shame. when i watched that vid my blood boiled i just wanted to be there and knock down all those brainless turkish men. were you there tami?

I really find what you are saying quite embarressing as a Turk..

But denying it or trying to find examples from the west that so it can be shown as ´ah ha it is hapenning there as well, so we are square type of behaviour´ is more embaressing!

One can´t win either way. Don´t criticize if you see bad stuff happening and you´re being accused of being heartless and lumped together and labeled as an idiot. Criticize what´s going on and you´re culturally insensitive, Islamophobic, a bigot, etc. What´s the purpose on posting articles like this? To stir a debate, that´s not really a debate, but a contest in insults? I´m here to learn some Turkish and about the culture and people of that country that I happen to love, but so far I have been rather disappointed

i just wonder where from such innocent angels such as yourself come from?

 i personally didnt invite you, melek, into any discussions. if you dont like - dont take part. who said that discussions are meant to be pleasant and painless? and why do you think that ignoring the problems is better than bitter debates? and who said that we can avoid mutual insults? so far i dont live in heaven.

you said, you learn turkish? why dont you go back to your class and continue your lessons in peace? or you were also tempted to jungle insults and dip your pure heart in a dirt we make?

i just wonder where from such innocent angels such as yourself come from?

One can´t win either way. Don´t criticize if you see bad stuff happening and you´re being accused of being heartless and lumped together and labeled as an idiot. Criticize what´s going on and you´re culturally insensitive, Islamophobic, a bigot, etc. What´s the purpose on posting articles like this? To stir a debate, that´s not really a debate, but a contest in insults? I´m here to learn some Turkish and about the culture and people of that country that I happen to love, but so far I have been rather disappointed

 i personally didnt invite you, melek, into any discussions. if you dont like - dont take part. who said that discussions are meant to be pleasant and painless? and why do you think that ignoring the problems is better than bitter debates? and who said that we can avoid mutual insults? so far i dont live in heaven.

you said, you learn turkish? why dont you go back to your class and continue your lessons in peace? or you were also tempted to jungle insults and dip your pure heart in a dirt we make?

i just wonder where from such innocent angels such as yourself come from?

Point taken. I guess I brought this on myself. Nah, no interest in dirt dipping. I was bored at work, that´s all, felt like some human interaction. Stupid me.

You live in the world you make. And it never hurt anyone to be nice.

And FYI, angels come from paradise I think Tami knows where that is.

Anyway, I won´t impose any longer. Have fun and enjoy the rest of the day.