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10.       justinetime
1018 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 02:47 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

What are you trying to say??

 

Do you say Hollanda in Turkish, or do you call it ´Verenigd Koninkrijk der Nederlanden´ or ´Nederland´ the way we do? I didn´t think so.. Why should foreigners say a country´s name the way its inhabitants say? Turkey isnt a wrong name. It is its name for English speakers, just as Turks say Ýngiltere and not England, just as Dutch people say Turkije and Turkish people say Hollanda.

 

i agree with this.... i don´t here Turkish people or Americans call my country Pilipinas (Philippines) the way we do here. Americans and English people call the country Turkey, Turks call it Türkiye, and people from Africa probably have another word for Türkiye... hehehe... i don´t see any problem with this....

11.       yilgun-7
1326 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 03:02 pm

If all people and English speakers say ´the world is flat´, will you believe them?

This is the problem(!)

12.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 03:07 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-7

I think we all have different perspectives on this.But scientific, legal and historic knowledges are important and esteemed .I am afraid I don´t agree with you.And you of course don´t have to agree with me.

"If all people say ´the world is flat´, will you believe them?"

 

 

That quote has nothing to do with it, nor does legal knowledge etc have to do with this. Its very nice of you to say that I dont have to agree with you though My language doesnt have the letter ü, so how are we gonna write Türkiye? As for Istanbul, it is wrong in Turkish to write it with a capital ý (I) and not with a capital i (Ý), but my language also doesn´t have the letter ý and our capital i is an I. Each country has its own way of saying names of foreign places and countries, and even just gramatically wise it is impossible to do otherwise. If you want us to say and write Türkiye the way Turks do, then will you write and say Chinese places also the way Chinese people do?

 

And I may be wrong, but I think the name Türkiye actually comes from the name that the British and French used in their correspondence with the Ottoman Empire. Speaking of historic knowledge to be taken into account when naming a country...

13.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 03:11 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-7

If all people and English speakers say ´the world is flat´, will you believe them?

This is the problem(!)

 

 No. And it has nothing to do with it!

 

If all Turkish people say that my country´s name is Hollanda, will you believe them? Apparantly you do. Because according to Turkish language, my country´s name is Hollanda, its inhabitant is a Hollandalý and its language is Hollandaca (though often Flemenkçe is said)  Many foreign languages speak of Nederland (the Netherlands) in terms of Hollanda, Hollandia, Ollanda. But it is wrong. In Dutch, Holland is only a small part of our country. It includes the area where Trudy lives, but Holland isn´t where I live. We both live in Nederland though!

14.       justinetime
1018 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 04:39 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-7

If all people and English speakers say ´the world is flat´, will you believe them?

This is the problem(!)

 

ihihihi... i don´t know what this has to do anything with Türkiye, and Turkey.... Not everybody agrees that your country is called Turkey, or Türkiye either... because it may be called differently in other languages (that is what we are trying to get across) the same way Turks call my country differently, do you see my point? .... if the Chinese spelled and pronounced the name of your country differently, will you also take offence?

 

if so, then i should also get mad for Turks calling my country Filipinler...and for English people to call my country Philippines!  it´s called PILIPINAS PEOPLE!!! hehehe... It´s called Pilipinas by the Philippine Constitution  (Konstitusyon ng Pilipinas)... and law is law as you say it is yilgun....

 

... on the other hand... there was a time in history where everybody agreed the whole world IS flat.... hehehe... if that is what you are pointing out, it´s a whole different topic. lol

 

15.       lady in red
6947 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 05:49 pm

When you are speaking Turkish (or Dutch or German or Tagalog or whatever) obviously you will use that language´s name for the country or city or town you are talking about.  When you are speaking in your own language then you will obviously use your own language´s version of that name.  But it´s rather arrogant to assume your country´s version of it´s name is the one that the rest of the world must use at all times.

16.       Trudy
7887 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 06:42 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-7

TÜRKÝYE

 

Türkiye´s official name is " TÜRKÝYE", not Turkey, according to Turkish law Constitution.  

 

Can you tell me what I have to do in the Netherlands with a Turkish law? Do you obey in Turkey to my laws too? Great, when is the first gaymarriage? That is according to our laws ok.

17.       Trudy
7887 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 06:43 pm

 

Quoting Deli_kizin

 In Dutch, Holland is only a small part of our country. It includes the area where Trudy lives, but Holland isn´t where I live. We both live in Nederland though!

 

 At least I can say I am from Holland AND from the Netherlands....

18.       lady in red
6947 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 06:51 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 At least I can say I am from Holland AND from the Netherlands....

 

 I thought that was where Peter Pan lives??  {#lang_emotions_unsure}

19.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 06:53 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 I thought that was where Peter Pan lives??  {#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

 And I thought it was where Michael Jackson lived

20.       lady in red
6947 posts
 29 Nov 2008 Sat 06:56 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 And I thought it was where Michael Jackson lived

 

 Yeh - with Peter Pan and the Little Lost Boys! (allegedly)

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