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30.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:54 am

 

Quoting justinetime

21... sooooooooooo.... like i said... i was told by a friend, that it´s unspeakable for a muslim to convert to christianity. true?

 

That is kind of true..

It is a kind of shame in many parts, including the west part of Turkey..

31.       justinetime
1018 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:57 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

That is kind of true..

It is a kind of shame in many parts, including the west part of Turkey..

 

west part of Turkey too? Aren´t they westernized or something? lol specially for guys who marry foreign women...

32.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 02:00 am

 

Quoting justinetime

west part of Turkey too? Aren´t they westernized or something? lol specially for guys who marry foreign women...

 

Trudy should again englighten us about what "westernized" means? I think it`s smt Europeans say only when it suits them{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

should it always refer to "the good" for example? what is nazizm then?{#lang_emotions_unsure}

33.       justinetime
1018 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 02:07 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

Trudy should again englighten us about what "westernized" means? I think it`s smt Europeans say only when it suits them{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

 

should it always refer to "the good" for example? what is nazizm then?{#lang_emotions_unsure}

 

hmmm i dunno what nazzism has anything to do on this topic....

 

but by westernized i mean, adapting to european, american (i dunno)  tradition or culture. specially to those who are married to western women.... is there still an issue of religion to married people?

34.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 02:09 am

 

Quoting justinetime

hmmm i dunno what nazzism has anything to do on this topic....

 

but by westernized i mean, adapting to european, american (i dunno) tradition or culture. specially to those who are married to western women.... is there still an issue of religion to married people?

 

That`s what I mean. Europe was slaughtering all the Jews just 65 years ago, so how come it represents religious tolerance.

 

Have you heard of the Turks who were burnt alive in Germany last year just becauise being Turks and Muslims?

 

Foxnews will never mention about stuff like that!!!

35.       justinetime
1018 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 02:12 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

That`s what I mean. Europe was slaughtering all the Jews just 65 years ago, so how come it represents religious tolerance.

 

the whole of Europe? i thought it was only the Germans.... (my limited knowledge )

 

anyway... my question was directed to "westernized Turkish people" meaning Turkish people who has adapted western culture, specially those who are married to western women... that was the whole question i was referring to.

36.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 02:13 am

 

Quoting justinetime

west part of Turkey too? Aren´t they westernized or something? lol specially for guys who marry foreign women...

 

Justintime

Look at it by yourself, look at  so called Turks here, they are  kind of ´educated´ and supposed to be westernized people..Look at the hatred in them about any word who contains ´west´.

I would not ask your bf to convert into anything openly..

But if you are a christian already you should be just fine.

37.       justinetime
1018 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 02:16 am

 

Quoting thehandsom

Look at the hatred in them about any word who contains ´west´

hehehe.... nope... i´m not asking my bf to convert though... just a curious question... 

38.       tamikidakika
1346 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 02:17 am

 

Quoting justinetime

the whole of Europe? i thought it was only the Germans.... (my limited knowledge )

 

anyway... my question was directed to "westernized Turkish people" meaning Turkish people who has adapted western culture, specially those who are married to western women... that was the whole question i was referring to.

 

Jewish holocaust in Europe dates back before the wwii. in the middle age, being jewish was banned all over Europe. That`s why many Sephardic Jews fled to the ottoman empire to live in a "non-westernized(thus crappy)" country.

39.       justinetime
1018 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 02:21 am

 

Quoting tamikidakika

Jewish holocaust in Europe dates back to the wwii. in the middle age, being jewish was banned all over Europe. That`s why many Sephardic Jews fled to the ottoman empire to live in a "non-westernized(thus crappy)" country.

 

yes i am aware of the holocaust very well.... and i never meant to say that non-westernized countries are "crappy" countries...

 

my question was,---> is it still an issue for married people who have different religions? a turk islam and a wife who is , i dunno, a mormon, or catholic...   <--- that was my question....

 

i guess only married people who are married to Turks can answer this question...

 

40.       vineyards
1954 posts
 08 Dec 2008 Mon 05:07 am

Well, having mentioned holocausts and the stuff; I guess one of the most remarkable events in the near history that points out to the continuation of religious and ethnic awareness in the heart of Europe was the ethnic cleansing carried out by the Serbs; Bosnians´ being denied of receiving arms to protect themselves by France and Russia and the surrender of Bosnian civilians  to the Serbian militia  by the Dutch commander in charge who was pictured drinking wine and exchanging smiles with his Serbian counterpart. The Bosnians would then be murdered and raped and the Dutch commander would put the blame on their lack of power. 

 

A number of Greek, Swedish and Russian ultranationalists came to fight in the ranks of the Serbs against the Muslims. Greek flag was hoisted after the completion of the invasion of a town.

 

In Europe, it all takes a spark to unleash the ethnic terror examples of which we have seen over and over.

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