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HELP ME - Rules explanation
1.       Irishclove
111 posts
 19 Dec 2008 Fri 05:05 pm

The new classes have not started yet but, I am going though the lessons slowly by myself and I am hoping someone can clarify something form me.

 

In the below example:

araba-in -> araba-n-ýn -> arabanýn (of the car, the car´s)
konu-in -> konu-n-un -> konunun (of the topic)

I understand what the addition of ---in does and why it changes form (due to vowel harmony)What I do not understand is why the addition of the extra "n" between the actual noun and the sufix "...in"

 

 

2.       Melek74
1506 posts
 19 Dec 2008 Fri 05:13 pm

In Turkish, when you add a suffix beginning with a vowel to a stem that ends in a vowel, you need to add a consonant between them - I guess it´s easier to pronounce that way. Those consonants, that are used to separate two vowels between stem and suffix, are called buffer letters. There are 3 buffer letters used in Turkish: s, y, and n. Doudi posted a nice explanation of the rules when to use which buffer letter, so I´m just going to copy and paste it here:

 

"You use s :

-for possessed endings

-compound nouns

 

You use n:

-for possessor endings

-with a word that already has a possessed ending

-with personal pronouns bu, þu and o
-with -ki ending

 

other than that use y"

 

So in your example, the "n" letter was used because a "possessor" suffix was attached and it was added in order to prevent 2 vowels from occurring together: konuun or arabaýn would be awkward to pronounce.

 

Let me also illustrate it on the word araba:

 

you use s :

-for possessed endings - arabasý (his/her car),

-compound nouns - Türk arabasý (Turkish car)

 

You use n:

-for possessor endings - arabanýn renðý (the car´s color)

-with a word that already has a possessed ending - arabasýnda - araba-s-ý-n-da (in his car)

-with personal pronouns bu, þu and o - bunu, þunu, onu, etc
-with -ki ending - hmmm, not sure what example to give here

 

other than that use y - arabayý çok seviyorum

 

3.       amicamia
24 posts
 26 Dec 2008 Fri 09:32 pm

 

Quoting Irishclove

The new classes have not started yet but, I am going though the lessons slowly by myself and I am hoping someone can clarify something form me.

 

In the below example:

araba-in -> araba-n-ýn -> arabanýn (of the car, the car´s)
konu-in -> konu-n-un -> konunun (of the topic)

I understand what the addition of ---in does and why it changes form (due to vowel harmony)What I do not understand is why the addition of the extra "n" between the actual noun and the sufix "...in"

 

Here is my reply to your questions.

araba = car
benim arabam =my car   araba+m =my car   arabam
so you don´t have to use benim =my because -m suffix already means my
senin araban =your car  araba+n      araban
 -n here is the suffix for  your
In Turkish,possessive adjectives are  used like this :
Possessive+noun+possessive suffixes ex; Benim araba+m
vowel+suffix       example; car=   arab   
at the end there´s the  vowel a  ,so the  suffixes can be;
my (-m) , your (-n),  his/her/its (-sý ) , our (-mýz),  your(-nýz)  their (-larý)
for the nouns ending with the vowels  :   a  e  Ã½  i  o  ö  u  ü  the suffixes have changes.
cat =kedi  My cat =Benim kedi+m   Benim kedim  (or kedim is enough)
kedi finishes with the vowel i      let´s see the differences 
Benim kedi+m
Senin kedi+n
Onun kedi+si             
Bizim kedi+miz (bizlerin kedi+si) 
Sizin kedi+niz (sizlerin kedi+leri)
Onlarýn kedi+si  (Onlarýn kedi+leri)
-ler -lar plural (sometimes when they are added to nouns,they give more importance to the thing or the person mentioned; even much more respect)
Apostrophe "s -the possessive case.
the car´s =araba+nýn   arabanýn  
(the noun ends with  a  so the suffix is -nýn)
the subject´s = konu+nun  konunun
(the noun ends with  so the suffix is -nun
the house´s =ev+in    evin 
(only -in is the suffix here because ev finishes with a consonant
the villager´s = köylü+nün   köylünün
(the noun ends with ü   so the suffix is -nün)

 

 

4.       amicamia
24 posts
 27 Dec 2008 Sat 08:38 am

Hope those above will be a help for you.{#lang_emotions_cool}

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