This is one of the tricks that are used by the religions:

1. The religion of (insert name of religion here) is always right.

2. If (insert name of religion here) is wrong, see No. 1 (and then we´ll ban you, kill you, excommunicate you, shun you, send our mummy to spank you).

An example from another religion:

1. The Pope is infallible (when speaking ex-cathedra, bla bla).

2. The very FIRST edict that is considered to be infallible was, yes, you got it, that the pope IS infallible.

You can´t win with that.

Interestingly enough, Oktar was sentenced to 3 years in prison for creating an illegal organization for personal gains, which he´s appealing right now. It reminds me of some of the evangelicals here in the States who preach to ignorant masses on Sundays and count their money on weekdays.

 Melek I think you are one of the few people on this site who I can agree with about religion!

 intersting that your info is half-half.

"According to the indictment of the prosecutor’s office, cited by the daily Cumhuriyet, Adnan Oktar and associates raped young women many of whom were under the age of 18 on camera and blackmailed them by threatening to release the sex tapes to their friends and family members. Many of these young women were then forced to entice select young men from wealthy families with the promise of sex in exchange for attending events organised by the BAV. The court heard how in turn these girls were formed into a group called of what they referred to as "odalisques" (cariyeler) and were ordered to videotape their sex sessions with these young men and deliver the tapes to Oktar.^[59]

Amidst ambiguous circumstances all charges were dropped by that court only to be picked by another court 8 years later. In 2008 Oktar was convicted a variety of crimes including engaging in criminal threats.^[56][50] On May 2008 Oktar and 17 other members of his organisation were sentenced to 3 years in prison. Oktar intends to appeal these charges"

 Ah yes, thank you, I couldn´t find more info on that.

Youtube or some web sites not being banned in western countries is nothing to do with Christianity..

And in most cases, banning web sites or youtube in Turkey is nothing to do with Islam either..

Femmeous, please refrain from personal attacks.

Melek has quoted only criticism of Christianity because that´s what Sam Harris deals with mainly, because he addresses the US audiences.

I made this thread to point out that ALL religions are absurd and none of them (or very few) are peaceful/harmless when you take a closer look at it. And also to point out that people who are considered moderates are guilty of perpetrating the myth of benign religions. This is not a thread about Turkey, this is a threat about religions in general, stemming from my frustration with the whole Christian vs. Muslim war that is in a way reflected by multiple posts on this website.

You´re obviously entitled to your opinion about me. Which brings me to trick #2 used by religious people:

If you can´t argue/disagree with the atheist´s arguments/opinons, attack their personal character.

Just ignore that sour lemon faced old Borat

 of course the web bannings has to do with countries and their religions. most of christian countries dont ban anything. and most of muslim countries ban almost evrything (oh, they dont ban porn sites )

how do you, dear secular turk explain that dawkins is banned in a secular turkey at the request of such a religious criminal oktar?

 i dont believe that you couldnt find, because one part of your info was there and the other wasnt there.

I hardly could care about what you believe. Maybe we looked in different places

Besides, I was too distracted by laughing at him trying to pass a fishing lure as an evidence against evolution  (this is a pic from his Atlas of Creation, which by the way is available online - and has GEORGOUS photography - for free to all those who want to believe fishing lures are god-made)