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20.       vineyards
1954 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 09:38 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I understand why a prok-chop could kill you in the "good old days", so I understand why it was forbidden. What I don´t understand... why just pork, and not also chicken?

 

That is just religious conditioning. You cannot find direct answers to such questions from religious circles. Both Jews and Muslims have rather sophisticated sets of rules explaining what to eat and what not to eat. International food companies proudly indicate this point when they export foods to Islamic and Jewish countries.

 

The general explanation is like this (for Islam) you don´t eat the flesh of predators or any animal which feeds on its own excretion.

 

If you have obtained a food through illegal or unethical means regardless of what type of food it is, it is not helal to consume it.

 

If an animal is slaughtered by a non-muslim, or by a muslim who slaughters the animal without having a religious wash first and without asking God´s consent by repeating certain phrases, the meat of that animal is not helal.

 

Any sea animal other than fish is not helal.

 

Vegeterianism: refusing to eat meat is contrary to God´s will. However, if someone doesn´t eat meat through preference or because of a health problem. His diet is halal.

 

Alcohol consumption, transportation of alcoholic drinks, buying, selling and being in the company of those consuming alcohol are all haram.

 

In Turkey, most people don´t observe some of these rules.

 

 

21.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 10:23 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

 

Any sea animal other than fish is not helal.

 

Vegeterianism: refusing to eat meat is contrary to God´s will. However, if someone doesn´t eat meat through preference or because of a health problem. His diet is halal.

 

Alcohol consumption, transportation of alcoholic drinks, buying, selling and being in the company of those consuming alcohol are all haram.

 

 

 Not true of course, no Quranic basis...

22.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 10:25 pm

 

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

 

Do people in some countries eat cricket, worm, snake, Snail, frog, turtle insect, pig, etc  in the meal. 

 

Is it true? 

 

If so…this is a  very bad dish… How can they eat such a  dirty things, I cannot understand and imagine it?

 

It is very sickly and repulsive kitchen according to Turkish culture. 

 

  

 

Is it normal?

 

You should learn the Turkish kitchen, Mediterranean kitchen… 

 

Recommendable…   

 

 

 

Life is culture kitchen, kitchen comes first for everybody.The most important thing for daily life and harmony.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I actually eat quite a bit of pork (pig).  I am half Italian and pork is a very common dish for us.  The last I checked, Italy WAS on the Mediterranean....did someone move it again? 

 

 

Yilgun - again, I find your post a bit....well...antagonistic.  People from all over the world eat many different things.  Who are you to say what is good and what is bad, what is clean and what is dirty? Your post makes you sound like a bit of a culinary snob!

 

Pass the bacon please!!

23.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 10:25 pm

I guess I´ll never know Cause I´ve seen chickens eat some nasty things, including their own poo But then again, they are a cheap form of meat... if chickens would have been forbidden people´s diets would get limited.

I´ve also had discussion with muslim people on shrimps... Some say (although I highly doubt them ) that tiny shrimp are okay, but things like lobsters are not. I think it´s not an interpretation issue, but that shrimp are just not halal. I guess they just made up these exception-rule for themselves so they could eat shrimp

 

24.       armegon
1872 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 10:28 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I´ve also had discussion with muslim people on shrimps... Some say (although I highly doubt them ) that tiny shrimp are okay, but things like lobsters are not. I think it´s not an interpretation issue, but that shrimp are just not halal. I guess they just made up these exception-rule for themselves so they could eat shrimp

 

 

 Even in Saudi Arabia lots of restaurants serving shrimps and lobsters, Saudi´s eat them freely...



Edited (1/25/2010) by armegon

25.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 10:28 pm

 

Quoting vineyards

 

 

 

Any sea animal other than fish is not helal.

 

 

 

 

 I did not know this!

 

26.       Trudy
7887 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 10:32 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

I´ve also had discussion with muslim people on shrimps... Some say (although I highly doubt them ) that tiny shrimp are okay, but things like lobsters are not. I think it´s not an interpretation issue, but that shrimp are just not halal. I guess they just made up these exception-rule for themselves so they could eat shrimp

 

 

Someone told me it´s different in the 4 schools if seafood other than fish is allowed. Anyone?

27.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 10:37 pm

So....scallops wrapped in bacon is definately out?  DAMN!!

28.       vineyards
1954 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 11:02 pm

 

Quoting armegon

 

 

 Even in Saudi Arabia lots of restaurants serving shrimps and lobsters, Saudi´s eat them freely...

 

Saudis are people too. Islam recognizes the fact that humans are prone to commit sins. Many points are left open for free reasoning. I have found a quotation from Mohammad which explains what the basis must be when determining what´s halal and what is haram:

If something is harmful in large quantity, even a small quantity of it is haram too. Alcohol is one such food. It is harmful in large quantity and makes you forget the word of God; so even a tiny amount of it is haram too. At least, as stated by Mohammad.

 

As an example to the point I made at the beginning of the paragraph, the verse in Quran can be paraphrased like this: From dates and grapes one makes several drinks some are healthy and some are harmful. Use your reasoning to find which one is halal and which one is haram.

29.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 11:35 pm

That´s a very interesting thread, I´ve learnt a few things - thank you, Vineyards.I wasn´t aware that seafood is not considered halal or that meat must be killed by a Muslim after a ritual wash. Not that it makes a difference to my life, but, still, it is interesting. Doesn´t it mean that a very religious person may have trouble when they go abroad and have to buy meat from supermarkets? There´s little chance it is halal...

 

 

Yersu - I´ve read something to the effect of what you posted. Sounds pretty logical, doesn´t it?

30.       ptaszek
440 posts
 25 Jan 2010 Mon 11:42 pm

recently we have had some visitors from Turkey,all involved in preparing visit as it was international consisting of 9 nationalities forgot about halal things,anyway birdy was on a duty and the visit passed smoothly as far as food was concerned.And what a pleasure was to see relief on some face´s about stuff to eat)))

btw

i have more sisters and brothers now,as most of them did not speak English I was made to babysit them)))ehhh,family is growing!!!

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