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Kara Fatma... ?
1.       gizem3
18 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 04:23 am

Hi everyone.

Im wondering who Fatma Seher Erden "Kara Fatma" is?

And why do some girls get that nickname? Is she a legend aswell?

 

 

 

2.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 04:37 am

http://www.google.com/search?q=kara+fatma&rls=com.microsoft:tr:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGIC

3.       gizem3
18 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 02:29 pm

Its only in turkish..... 

4.       dilliduduk
1551 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 03:34 pm

 

Quoting gizem3

Hi everyone.

Im wondering who Fatma Seher Erden "Kara Fatma" is?

And why do some girls get that nickname? Is she a legend aswell?

 

2nd Lt. Kara Fatma (Fatma Seher Erden) ( Erzurum 1888- Erzurum 1955):
Married to an officer called Derviþ Bey and fought with him in Balkan War. She also organized a group of 9-10 women and fought at Caucasusu front in WW1. As her husband was killed by Armenian outlaws after the Armistrace of Mundros he joined the National Forces of Mustafa Kemal Pasha and fought againts Armenians at the East. She established a band and fought againts the invading Greeks at Bursa and Iznik (Nicosia)region. Her son and her doughter ware also members of her band. The band had 35 fighters. She joined the famous battles of the River Sakarya and the Great Attack againts Greeks on Augýst 26th 1922. She fall POW to Greeks near Afyon Karahissar but succeded to free herself. After the peace she was promoted to the rank of 2nd Lt. She presented her sallry to Turkish Red Cross Society.

 

from http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=80&t=139640

5.       Merih
933 posts
 18 Jan 2009 Sun 06:09 pm

 

Quoting gizem3

Hi everyone.

Im wondering who Fatma Seher Erden "Kara Fatma" is?

And why do some girls get that nickname? Is she a legend aswell?

 

 Kara Fatma is used as a nick name for a person who has comperatively darker complexion.

6.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 08 Mar 2009 Sun 05:29 pm

 

When I was reading today´s papers I saw something about this topic:

 

Apperantly there were many ´Kara Fatma´s in our history.

 

The first one was being mentioned around 1800..A woman, who happens to be a wife of Kurdish tribal leader, called Kara Fatma. This woman was the leader of a bandit group consisted of 78 men and they would rob the people around Corum area of Anatolia..And she was possibly a  Christian Yezidi Kurdish .

 

The other Kara Fatma, who happened to be mentioned around 1850s, had an international celebrity fame..

This one is kurdish too and her name in kurdish was ´Fateras´ or ´Fate Res´ (´Kara fatma´ in Turkish)

When Crimian war was going on, she came to Istanbul with her 300 men. During this time, because there were many British and French soldiers joining the war alongside  Ottomans, there were many journalists among them..15 April 1854, a French magazine "L’Illustration Journal Universel "put up a picture of her with the name ‘Kara Fatima, l’héroine du Kürdistan, a’ Constantinople’.

 (Kara Fatima. L’héroïne de Kurdistan, à Constantinople, - D’apprès un croquis de M. Fossati.)

 

An English magazine "The Illustrated London News" follows the French and  mention about her as ´ Kurdish lady Kara Fatma is in Istanbul with her Kurdish cavalrymen´ at 22 April 1854.

!0 years later, this time, Le Tour de Monde publishes some engraving with the title as ‘Kara Fatma, la princesse kurde´. And it was also mentioned that she was a Christian Yezidi Kurd.

Bizaarly, later on, the famous play, a symbol of Turkish nationalism, ´Vatan Yahut Silistre´ had some of its insirations from these two women in the character called ´Zekiye´!! (according to some sources of course).

(Kara Fatma, la princesse kurde -- Le Tour du Monde, Paris - 1867)


 

However, that was the time of raising turkish nationalism and 15 years later, Kurd Kara Fatma, started to became ´Turk Kara Fatma´!!! According to some, she was from a Turkic  tribe called Cerid hence she was Turkish..

 

However, the one Gizem3 was mentioning was Fatma Seher  and she was the last one in Kara Fatmas. The name given to her by Ataturk in 1919, then she fought in battles and she commanded 743 men apperantly..She died in 1954 in poor conditions..

 

 

 



Edited (3/8/2009) by thehandsom
Edited (3/8/2009) by thehandsom

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