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180.       Queent
183 posts
 26 Jul 2009 Sun 12:23 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

I am not going into a discussion of what "infidel" means or whether or not it is equivalent in meaning to the word " gavur".

Gavur, to a Moslem, means someone who denies existance of God; as such,  Christians, Jews etc. who recognize the same god, but follow His different prophets can not be called gavur.

 

 

 

These gavurs or infidles are trying to be funny.

181.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 26 Jul 2009 Sun 12:26 am

 

Quoting Queent

 

 

These gavurs or infidles are trying to be funny.

 

 Is this an insult? Or im too sensitive...

182.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Jul 2009 Sun 12:30 am

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

 

I am not going into a discussion of what "infidel" means or whether or not it is equivalent in meaning to the word " gavur".

Gavur, to a Moslem, means someone who denies existance of God; as such,  Christians, Jews etc. who recognize the same god, but follow His different prophets can not be called gavur.

 

 

 

 Well said Alpha,

Christians and Jewish are not gavur, they are just as they are , Christians/Jewish

Gavur who denies existence of God

183.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Jul 2009 Sun 12:32 am

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

 So - what are you calling me then QueenT???  or Canli???

 

 Calling you LÝR ?! Unsure

184.       ReyhanL
1961 posts
 26 Jul 2009 Sun 12:35 am

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

 Well said Alpha,

Christians and Jewish are not gavur, they are just as they are , Christians/Jewish

Gavur who denies existence of God

 

 With what right you say we deny the existence of God ?????

185.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Jul 2009 Sun 12:39 am

 

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 I think all cames from the fact that sectarians are calling eachother ´brothers and sisters´ and i felt like..i cant exactly explain...something like world will be divided in to: brothers (sisters) and the rest

 

 Well, at US you would find black people calling same, brothers and sisters, and they are not Muslims, not a condition i mean, but they are just black

What im saying, its not something only belong to Muslims, but many others.

 

Ýn our understanding, as human we are brothers and sisters in humanity and also as Muslims we are brothers and sisters in religion.

We dont actually call each others brother, and sister, we sometimes do we sometimes dont, and also some of us do and some of us dont...its not a rule you know.

 

186.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Jul 2009 Sun 12:41 am

 

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 With what right you say we deny the existence of God ?????

 

 Sorry, i dont get it

What do you mean ?!

Who deny the existence of God we call him/her gavur.

Ýf you dont deny the existence of god then we dont call you gavur...its what you chose, say not i !

187.       Queent
183 posts
 26 Jul 2009 Sun 12:53 am

 

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 

 Is this an insult? Or im too sensitive...

 

 



Edited (7/26/2009) by Queent [deleted ]

188.       CANLI
5084 posts
 26 Jul 2009 Sun 12:56 am

Guys, i see no reason for all of that or am i missing something ?!

Let´s not give things more than they deserve .

189.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Jul 2009 Sun 02:27 am

For any Moslem, calling someone "gavur" is a very risky act, even when that someone appears to be in open defiance of god.

 

"Takva" is a term to define a person´s "closeness" to God.  Kuran openly states that it is not possible nor allowed for ordinary mortals to judge anyone else´s takva and comment on it,  since the rights for such an evaluation is exclusively reserved for God only. Calling someone "Gavur"  may be construed as an attempt to grade that person´s takva, hence as an interference with God´s bussiness: Such interference, according to Islam, is a major sin.

190.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 26 Jul 2009 Sun 02:34 am

 

Quoting ReyhanL

 

 I hoped here on turkishclass we are Turkish natives and Turkish learners...and all friends

 

You better understand messages here thoroughly, before you comment on them.

 

Not all messages here are absolutely friendly...But this one that you seem to be objecting is one of the friendliest, ever.

 

Read my  message again, and let me know what seemed unfriendly to you.

 



Edited (7/26/2009) by AlphaF
Edited (7/26/2009) by AlphaF

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