I disagree with you on having to read handsom´s posts carefully simply because I consider this fellow poser (sorry I meant poster) to be extremely biased. I detest the logic of illogicality in most of his posts and arguments. I also find his tone, in most occasions, but particularly in this one, rather  insincere. His choice of words are on purpose ´charged´.  If I may take an excursion into crudity, I have noticed that it is his fine specialty to post things for the purpose of ´stirring shit´.

He probably knows perfectly well that the article he posted does not have much to do with the Gaza issue. He could have simply posted the article and objected to the fact that the prosecuter may be asking 25-40 years for 12 year olds, which would have been perfectly fine. I think it would be unfair to impose such harsh terms on children, but also think that they will not receive such a harsh sentence even if the prosecutors ask for it. Additionally, he posts a picture with the children showing their hands in the presence of another adult, where there are a couple of cops standing by. Then we are told that the cops are looking for traces of stones in their hands. Although he takes the time to sum up the article for us and add the picture, the link to the article in his original post does not work. So, I have to ask for it.

If the original article suggested that the cops were looking for traces of stones in the children´s hands, then we can all assume that this is very poor journalism, as I don´t think anyone is dumb enough to think that stones leave marks in one´s hands.

His post lacks coherence in other ways, too. Aside from the irrelevance of the issue to the Gaza misery, and the bogus journalism of suggesting that the Turkish cops are looking for marks or evidence of stones in children´s hands, handsom´s argument completely side-steps the fact that you will be arrested in any country, if you throw stones at the police. You will also be charged with many things ranging from assaulting a police officer, illegal protest etc, and in most cases the prosecuter will always go for the highest charges knowing well that the final decree of the judge will be way below what the prosecuter seeked in the first place - especially in a cese like this one.

I am not against handsom or anyone else criticizing Turkey and its policies. I criticize them myself, and disagree with many things that happen in Turkey, just as I criticize many other countries and their policies. But, I do try to be impartial. When handsom learns how to post things on the politics section without being biased and without attempting to ´stir shit´ deliberately, then I will take him seriously.

Result of being annoyed and frasturated..And clearly trying to get personal.

Not worth replying.. 

The police were doing exactly what I wrote..One of the links I gave above should prove that..

If the police were doing what I wrote, will you apologize? OK, forget the apology, will you condemn it as much as I did? 

Result of being annoyed and frasturated..And clearly trying to get personal.

Not worth replying.. 

Yes. In countries such as  Saudi arabia, Egypt,  Pakistan etc..

You should be ashamed of yourself for putting Turkey´s democracy with  those countries..

Where is impartiality in my post?

did that incident I mentioned in my post happen? YES

It is upto you if you take ´your own country´s childeren taken to court and jailed´ seriously..

Well..

I do..

What the hell are you talking about in countries like Pakistan Saudi Arabia etc. Are you a moron? What do you think would happen to you if you threw stones at a police officer in the US or Britain. You should be ashamed of yourself for being so clueless. Go google police brutality in the West you chump.

Regarding your comment about the police doing exactly that - looking for traces of stone marks in hands... Yes, I don´t believe that. And if you are dumb enough to believe that, be my guest. Go look for some stone marks on your forehead.

Yes. In countries such as  Saudi arabia, Egypt,  Pakistan etc..

You should be ashamed of yourself for putting Turkey´s democracy with  those countries..

Where is impartiality in my post?

did that incident I mentioned in my post happen? YES

It is upto you if you take ´your own country´s childeren taken to court and jailed´ seriously..

Well..

I do..

 Oh, I agree with this but that doesn´t make him unique. 

You are really lacking of brains my friend..

The police checked the childeren´s hands for ´trace of stones´. 

Yes it is unbelivable but it is true!!!

And you are a double decker dumb despite the fact that I am showing  you the picture and giving the news..

I have been living in the west more than you have been I think..

I know that they wont take childeren to heavy crimes court with just throwing stones to police with a possiblity of 25 years to 40 years of jail if convicted..

btw..I can understand you dont know Turkey that much..But I thought you would be aware of these things in western countries..

I am dissapointed again..

So you dont know much what is going on in Turkey; you dont know much what is going on in western countries..then..

why are you still arguing here?

I have checked the links I gave,,

THIS LINKS TELLS YOU THE STORY...

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/11026830.asp?yazarid=91

ok? lol

How do you know the police were doing exactly what you wrote?  How does reading links to newspapers "prove" it?  What is the credibility of the journalism of the newspapers? What is their political standpoint?  As a non Turk I don´t know the answers and wish to be enlightened.

Perhaps I´m being "bloody minded". There probably is some truth to the news article (I couldn´t open the reuters link either) and I´m sure everyone would condemn the imprisonment of children for such a long period of time.  But has that actually happened?  Have you any documentation about last years imprisonments? I would be interested to read it please.

I still think Gaza had no place in the thread.

This is a typical hamsterism handsomism - putting words into people´s mouths. 

I should think that throwing stones at the police is a criminal offence in most countries.  I´m sure the sentences aren´t as harsh as those you mention in Turkey, but then I would like to see some documentation that there are children who have been sentenced in Turkey for such a time span. So now I will go and try to find the evidence for myself.

btw  I understand what is meant by traces of stones to mean, residue (dust).  But not very incriminating to my mind and how would it stand up in court?

Both columns will tell you what I wrote..

It is in Turkish but I am sure cycstic will be happy to translate that for all of us.

http://www.taraf.com.tr/haber/27941.htm

http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/11026830.asp?yazarid=91 

http://arsiv.sabah.com.tr/2009/02/06//haber,3C1C902D152E4BEB87F911791032E893.html (this story is about some convictions):

(They are the only ones I managed to find for now..)

A.T, (17 yo), 7 years 6 months for commiting crimes  on behalf of a terrorist organization + 1 year 8 months for making propaganda of a terrorist organization

S.T (13 yo)  M.M.(14 yo) and  A.B.(16 yo) 7 years 6 months for commiting crimes on behalf of  a terrorist organization

M.M (15) and  M.K (16) 1 year for making propaganda of a terrorist organization..

Don´t the parents have any control over these youths and what they get up to?

Some coverage of the incident in English. 

http://ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2009/2/turkeykurdistan2108.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7890945.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7891578.stm

this one gives some information about the detention of youths

http://www.ekurd.net/mismas/articles/misc2008/11/turkeykurdistan2024.htm

parents? who do you think make those children attack the police?