When do we use only kendi, and when can we also use kendi kendine ?

Example,

Ayþe kendini dev aynasunda görüyor.

Kendi kendini banyo yapmazsýn, daha çok küçüksün.

Ý have been told that in the first its better to use kendi and in the second its better to use kendi kendini.

But actually i cant get why or how can i decide which to use.

Any help here is very much appreciated.

the first one is "herself" and second one is "by yourself"; that´s the difference.

Ayþe sees herself in the magnifying mirror ( just a literal translation, I don´t think such an idiom exists in English)

You cannot have a bath by yourself, you are still too young.

In the first one it is the object, it is what/who you see. (Ne görüyor? - Kendini görüyor)

In the second one it is how you do it. ( Nasýl yapamazsýn - kendi kendine yapamazsýn)

More examples:

He was speaking to himself. Kendi kendine konuþuyordu.

She bought a dress for herself. Kendine bir elbise aldý. ( It is possible to say "kendi kendine elbise aldý", this only implies she made also the "buying" action alone.)

etc.

I don´t think this was very explanatory but I hope helps a little.

On this website there´s more examples that I think you´ll find helpful too.

http://www.practicalturkish.com/turkish-pronouns.html

that seems nice. probably my post was actually confusing

 Thank you Melek and dilliduduk

 Actually not it wasnt.

Ý understand the forms of kendi..

My question was when we use kendini, kendimizi...etc  alone and when do we add the kendi to it ?

Ayþe kendini dev aynasunda görüyor. Could it be kendi kendini here ?

Kendi kendini banyo yapmazsýn, daha çok küçüksün. could it be just kendini here ?

So it was very much helpful actually

 Well done Angel, this is an excellent link for ´KENDI´ that I have ever come accross.  You are an angel [lol]

it´s name is "dönüþlülük zamiri". dönüþ means turning. the act a person do turns and affects that person (himself - herself).

Some samples related to kendi and its variants:

- Kendi kendine konusuyor. Manyak midir nedir? / He keeps murmuring (talking) to hiimself like a nut case.

- Kendi kendine konusma lan. Deli misin sen? / Stop talking to yourself man. Are you mad (in the sense of insane).

- Birak konussun kendi kendine. Belki sakinlesir. / Let him talk dude (to himself), maybe he will relax (blow off some steam) that way.

- Kendini bil delikanli. Hanimlarin onunde oyle konusma. / Know yourself, bud. Don´t talk like that in front of the ladies.

- Arkadaslar, hepimiz kendi sozlerimizden sorumluyuz. Buraya konusmaya geldik tartismaya degil. / Cmon now fellows, we all are responsible for our own words. We are here to discuss, not to argue.

- Hadi (haydi) kendi basina yapta gorelim. Bakalim yapabilecek misin? / Ok then, let´s see if you can do it by yourself. Let´s see if you will be able to do it.

- Kendi ana dilimizi bu kadar kotu konusmamiz utanc verici bir sey. / We should be ashamed of the way (of our incapacity) to speak our own mother tongue (like this/in this manner).

- Kendisi cok capkindir. Bir bakista tavlar kizlari. / He is (known to be) a major playboy. With just one look, girls fall for him.

- Vay kendini bilmez ayi... / What a a brute (who doesn´t happen to be aware of what an ass he sounds like)

- Kendileri aslen Ankaralidirlar. / They are actually from Ankara.

- Birak kendi kendilerine tartissinlar. / let them argue it out among themselves.

- Birakta kendim yapayim. Hep karisiyorsun. / Let me do it myself. you are always interfering.

- Kendi haklarimizi korumaliyiz. Eger biz korumazsak kimse korumaz. / We should defend our rights (ourselves). if we don´t, no one else will do it for us (in our name.)

- Adam kendi (tek) basina butun sorulari cevapladi. / The guy answered (handled) all the questions just by himself.

- Bu degisiklikleri kendimiz yapmaliyiz. baskalari degil. / We should do (implement) these changes ourselves, not others (in our names.)

- Kendi yerine otursana. Neden benim yerime oturuyorsun? / Go sit on your own seat. Why are you taking mine?

- Kendi adina konus. / Talk for yourself. (Speak in your own name or for yourself)

- Kendi aramizda konusuyoruz. / We are talking among ourselves.

- Sen once kendi maymun suratina bak. / Go take a good look at your own monkey face (before you make fun of mine.)

- O once kendi kusurlarina baksin. / He should look at himself (before picking on others´ deficiencies/short-comings.)

- Bu benim kendi hatam.  / This is my own mistake.

- Eger kendisi hatirlarsa iki yil once ayni hatayi o da yapmisti. / If he would just recall, he did exactly the same mistake two years ago.

- Sen once kendinle hesaplas. / Go deal with your own issues/problems/short-comings (before you criticise others.)

- Yaptiklarimdan dolayi cok utaniyordum. Kendimle barismam iki sene surdu. / I was ashamed of what I had done. It took two years to be able to make peace with myself.

- O biraz kendisi gibi bir kiz ariyor. / He is actually looking for a girl like himself (similar to him in attitude or whatever...)

- Kendin ol. Birak bu numaralari. / Be yourself. Stop pretending.

- Kendi aklindan gecenleri (or aklindakileri) soyle. / Say what you have (or is going through your mind.)

Kendi is a very flexible word and can take the form of pronouns from time to time. It is a very commonly used word in colloquial Turkish.

Ohhhh, Thank you very much cynic for the examples, they take us close to reality by knowing actually how can we use them in different situations.

Thank you zwilling for the edition too

First sentence can be:

* Ayþe kendini dev aynasýnda görüyor.

or

* Ayþe kendisini dev aynasýnda görüyor.

(Both forms sound same to me as a native speaker)

Second sentence is wrong. It must be:

* Kendi kendine banyo yapamazsýn, daha çok küçüksün.

or

* Kendin banyo yapamazsýn, daha çok küçüksün.

(Both forms sound same to me as a native speaker)