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is there a contrast between ottmans and atturk
1.       yusuf :)
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 14 Apr 2006 Fri 02:25 pm

iam good reader of turkish history , but there is some thing i would like to ask about
is there a contrast between ottmans and attaturk?

and if the answer no , so why atturk finshed the ottman emprie?
was it bad ?
who was right ottmans or atturk????

need answer........

2.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 14 Apr 2006 Fri 03:12 pm

I would love to have this question answered also

Quoting yusuf :

iam good reader of turkish history , but there is some thing i would like to ask about
is there a contrast between ottmans and attaturk?

and if the answer no , so why atturk finshed the ottman emprie?
was it bad ?
who was right ottmans or atturk????

need answer........



I can't answer your questions, but it's Ataturk and Ottomans in English

I think he realised it was time for a new area in Turkish history?

3.       mltm
3690 posts
 14 Apr 2006 Fri 03:54 pm

Quoting yusuf :

iam good reader of turkish history , but there is some thing i would like to ask about
is there a contrast between ottmans and attaturk?

and if the answer no , so why atturk finshed the ottman emprie?
was it bad ?
who was right ottmans or atturk????

need answer........



Yusuf, the good answer for you is long, but the history is always there and you can find all the details you want to know, the situation of the Ottoman Empire in its last years, see if the Turks could still live independently under the Ottoman Empire control or whatever its name would be (probably it would be a small piece of land for the Turks, and the rest would be shared between English, French, Greeks, Italians, Kurds, Armenians etc.)
It's really a very ridiculous question (I don't blame you for you just don't know the history) to ask "who was right the ottomans or Atatürk" to Turkish people since Atatürk was named the Father of the Turks. Why? He was the leader of the Turks who didn't bow to the enemies (at that time Ottoman government was also one of these enemies, they just thought themselves, independence, honour and nation were all meaningless things for them)
You can read the history in "wikipedia". It's my favourite internet encyclopedia.

4.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 14 Apr 2006 Fri 04:00 pm

Ohh I am so ashamed to say that i thought the Ottomans were some sort of ancestors of the Turks

5.       ramayan
2633 posts
 14 Apr 2006 Fri 04:09 pm

of course at least they wear different caps

6.       mltm
3690 posts
 14 Apr 2006 Fri 04:11 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Ohh I am so ashamed to say that i thought the Ottomans were some sort of ancestors of the Turks



Oh, no. You got me wrong. Ofcourse the Ottomans are the ancestors of the Turks, and all the turks consider themselves as the grandchildren of the Ottomans, but the point isn't this. The point is the Empire came to a failure point where she was called as the "Sick Man of Europe", so she was not powerful anymore and all the other countries' eyes were on her. In this bad time, the Ottoman government didn't choose to fight against these enemies for the independence and honor of the Turks, it chose to yield (they thought that the only escape was to be under the control of Germany or England). So, that was why Atatürk was against this government as well. He started the war of independence.

If you read the history on your own, you can see the facts much better.

7.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 14 Apr 2006 Fri 04:28 pm

Ohh ok thanks Now i don't feel completely stupid anymore

I find Wikipedia very usefull as well, so I'll take a look at it for a brief introduction in my further studies of the turkish history
But first pass my highschool exams within 2 months

8.       goner
506 posts
 14 Apr 2006 Fri 05:34 pm

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Ohh ok thanks Now i don't feel completely stupid anymore

I find Wikipedia very usefull as well, so I'll take a look at it for a brief introduction in my further studies of the turkish history
But first pass my highschool exams within 2 months



i dont know which one you are using but there is also an option for turkish in wikipedia..not so much information as its original page written in english one..however it is useful ...

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana_Sayfa

9.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 14 Apr 2006 Fri 05:36 pm

Quoting goner:


i dont know which one you are using but there is also an option for turkish in wikipedia..not so much information as its original page written in english one..however it is useful ...

http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana_Sayfa



Thanks I always use the Dutch one but if i want to copy something here or talk abotu it with Kadir i use the english one.

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