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High, wild and beautiful Hakkari
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1.       Trudy
7887 posts
 03 Apr 2009 Fri 09:42 pm

Given its remote location amid Turkey´s wildest, highest and most alpine mountain range, a whopping 1,818 kilometers southeast of Ýstanbul but just 75 kilometers north of the border with troubled Iraq, it´s hardly surprising that few travelers venture as far as Hakkari.

The way many guidebooks write of the place is enough to put off most would-be visitors, too. "Wild Hakkari," "the positive dead-end of Turkey," "a sprawling building site of a place" and "a depressing concrete town" are just some of the dubious descriptions that must weigh heavily on even the most enthusiastic of local tourist officials. Of course there is more than a grain of truth in these assertions. Hakkari, the smallest provincial capital in the land, has expanded into a shapeless muddle of apartment blocks, largely a result of the influx of villagers forced from their ancestral mountain homes in the 1980s and 1990s by the conflict between the Turkish security forces and the Kurdistan Workers´ Party (PKK).

 

More: http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=169785&bolum=117

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Hakkari, one of the places on my to-go-list in Turkey. But indeed safety reasons kept me so far from going there. Hopefully I dare to in the future.

2.       kurtlovesgrunge
1435 posts
 03 Apr 2009 Fri 10:02 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

But indeed safety reasons kept me so far from going there. Hopefully I dare to in the future.

 

 In the name of observing the very south eastern district of our beautiful fatherland, Hakkari both has a lot to watch over and write down...I can say that you dont have to worry about the safety as the citizens of the city are good examples of Turkish hospitality ...On the contrary to the ones who say poverty has taken the control of the city, you will have the chance to see a real Porsche out there

3.       Trudy
7887 posts
 03 Apr 2009 Fri 10:04 pm

 

Quoting kurtlovesgrunge

 

 

 In the name of observing the very south eastern district of our beautiful fatherland, Hakkari both has a lot to watch over and write down...I can say that you dont have to worry about the safety as the citizens of the city are good examples of Turkish hospitality ...On the contrary to the ones who say poverty has taken the control of the city, you will have the chance to see a real Porsche out there

 

 But isn´t it a little too close to the border with Iraq, Kurt? Isn´t that dangerous?

4.       kurtlovesgrunge
1435 posts
 03 Apr 2009 Fri 10:10 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 But isn´t it a little too close to the border with Iraq, Kurt? Isn´t that dangerous?

 

 Yeah, the city is very close to the borders...I can also add that means of living in the region is smuggling... So unless one has any stuff to do with those, there is nothing to worry about...The terrorists nestle only in mountains and villages close to mountainous areas and they actually dont have anything to do with the civilian people.

5.       sonunda
5004 posts
 03 Apr 2009 Fri 10:22 pm

From Van we went as far as Hoþap Kalesi which is on the road to Hakkari. We passed through a couple of checkpoints but it didn´t feel unsafe. We were in a minivan with guys who were travelling on to Hakkari and were very friendly towards us.Like you said though,Trudy,the guidebooks don´t exactly ´big it up´

6.       Trudy
7887 posts
 03 Apr 2009 Fri 10:32 pm

 

Quoting sonunda

From Van we went as far as Hoþap Kalesi which is on the road to Hakkari. We passed through a couple of checkpoints but it didn´t feel unsafe. We were in a minivan with guys who were travelling on to Hakkari and were very friendly towards us.Like you said though,Trudy,the guidebooks don´t exactly ´big it up´

 

Oh, it´s not that I´m looking for luxury or touristy stuff, a bed with clean sheets and a lock on the door in a hotel will do fine. I´ve read only the nature is reason enough, so stunning. But.... you said ´we were´ and I always have to say ´I was´..... I guess that´s the difference. Maybe I´m wrong, if so my apologies, but I do not think I would feel very safe now travelling solo as a woman in that area, the region is not known for it´s most modern views of life, is it?

7.       sonunda
5004 posts
 03 Apr 2009 Fri 10:40 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

Oh, it´s not that I´m looking for luxury or touristy stuff, a bed with clean sheets and a lock on the door in a hotel will do fine. I´ve read only the nature is reason enough, so stunning. But.... you said ´we were´ and I always have to say ´I was´..... I guess that´s the difference. Maybe I´m wrong, if so my apologies, but I do not think I would feel very safe now travelling solo as a woman in that area, the region is not known for it´s most modern views of life, is it?

 

No,I agree, I wouldn´t blame you for not wanting to go there alone!

 

(PS-we don´t go for luxury either and some of the places we have stayed haven´t even had clean sheets or a lock on the door!!)

8.       azade
1606 posts
 06 Apr 2009 Mon 06:15 pm

I can only nod to what Kurt has to says about safety.  It´s not a problem at all.

Most of the smugglers mentioned (that I know of) live in remote villages, and some in Van. And they´re not dangerous at all, by the way

I always feel safe as houses in Hakkâri, if anything it´s the army that makes me uncomfortable.

 

Even though it´s not a mecca for tourists, I have seen some there. No one can deny the beauty of the region, and as for accomodation, there´s always Þenler Otel.

9.       azade
1606 posts
 06 Apr 2009 Mon 06:20 pm

Trudy by the way I always venture around on my own in Hakkâri, but never in Van. The only downside is that you may have some children running after you, trying to speak english lol

If you go there on one of your next trips and need some company let me know.



Edited (4/6/2009) by azade

10.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 06 Apr 2009 Mon 07:53 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 But isn´t it a little too close to the border with Iraq, Kurt? Isn´t that dangerous?

Shame on you Trudy. Are you scared to mix with real people?

 

I had once adviced you guys that the proper thing to do when you see uniformed soldiers approachimg is to wave your arms and greet them by shouting "Biji Apo ! ". Alternatively, if you come across hunters in guerilla outfits, simply holler "Kahrolsun PKK ! " and remain still.

 

My advice still holds. Super cool

 

 

 

 

 

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