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16 Apr 2009 Thu 07:14 pm |
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A friend who is a lawyer specialising in divorces once told me that the commitment should be called a ´marriage contract´. It should be made for a definite period of let´s say 5 years, and if we are happy and things are working out between us, we can always have the option to ´extend´. And, if we feel we no longer belong together, we just part (no painful and costly divorce procedures!). 
want to know person? Divorce him!
Divorce looks logical and easy while only mind is involved. Though we usually add feelings and offended ego.
One man being in third marriage said that he realized that he could live with his first wife. In many years he realised that everything is the same.
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17 Apr 2009 Fri 12:14 am |
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want to know person? Divorce him!
Divorce looks logical and easy while only mind is involved. Though we usually add feelings and offended ego.
One man being in third marriage said that he realized that he could live with his first wife. In many years he realised that everything is the same.
Boy it that ever true! It´s amazing what comes out during divorce process. The once loveing starry eyed lovers get fangs!
I think you carry the same baggage with you where ever you go.
It´s pretty easy to get into a marriage, not really expensive to make it legal....but the divorce process is expensive, even in simple no fault divorce!
An interesting addition to this is the fact that in the US, each state has different laws regarding the institution of marriage. Some states are "community property" states, some are not. Even if you get married in a none community property state, if you get your divorce in a community property state, you are subject to the laws of what ever state you are in.
Community property covers any assets gained or increased during a marriage. That covers even intellectual property. So if an artist was working on a piece prior to the marriage, and continued during the marriage, it´s community property. Drivers insurance is also covered. If one spouse has a bad driving record, the other insurance costs of the other spouse goes up. It can get quite complicated, and it´s mandated by law.
Edited (4/17/2009) by alameda
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17 Apr 2009 Fri 12:27 am |
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Alameda - wow, I had no idea that even divorces are regulated by state laws. So, basically, when you want to divorce you just have to file for it to the state that gives you most benefits?
Ireland tackled the problem of divorces differently, they legalised them a few years ago in the ´90s if I´m not mistaken  And nowadays you have a compulsory separation about 4 years before being granted divorce. Now that´s what I call a protective state
In Poland it´s relatively easy to get a divorce if both sides are willing but you wait for the hearing for about a year. So it´s an option only for very patient people
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17 Apr 2009 Fri 01:48 am |
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Alameda - wow, I had no idea that even divorces are regulated by state laws. So, basically, when you want to divorce you just have to file for it to the state that gives you most benefits?
Ireland tackled the problem of divorces differently, they legalised them a few years ago in the ´90s if I´m not mistaken And nowadays you have a compulsory separation about 4 years before being granted divorce. Now that´s what I call a protective state
In Poland it´s relatively easy to get a divorce if both sides are willing but you wait for the hearing for about a year. So it´s an option only for very patient people
It´s not that easy. There are residency requirements in each state that have to be met. IOW, you can not just move to a state that has more agreeable laws. Also, either one of the former spouses can sue years later. All assets have to be listed...and I mean ALL...pots & pans.... Say one spouse had an accident, the other could be sued for damages. If one owen money, the other is liable.
The last thing anyone should have is an upset ex-spouse! I´ve helped a few friends with the legal issues in their divorces, that´s how I know.
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17 Apr 2009 Fri 08:45 am |
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wow, what a hot discussion, and very interesting by the way.
Cultural boundaries and abstacles will exist forever, and may it be always, cause this is exactly that thing which makes each culture, nation, individual different from the rest and attractive.
I am kazakh, in our culture position of woman is very high, it was through all centuries, from the time we were indicated ask one of the Saks tribes. Girls are treated and equaled to flowers, and parents must give them all the best. Usually, young girls should know all about household, but when they live with parents, as a rule parents do everything for them, even regarding household, because they are supposed to have their own family, and will have enough time to deal with this stuff. But some people so fanatic, that understand everything directly, and then appears such opinion as woman should not go somewhere alone and etc.
I must say, that Islam had and have a great influencce upon our culture and history.
one of the must for all Muslims is to educate girls/dauhters. When i was little I could not understand why my parents, in particularly my father pushed us to study hard so much. he invested to our education all that he earned, he never refused for our suggestion to attend some courses, he always supported us.
In my opinion, Islam and attitude of muslims towards woman is different in various cultures and countries. Probably, I am wrong, but I guess that the rest of muslims say that they are muslims, and use islam as cover, but in fact they did not touch the core of Islam, they behave, act and live by the Isalmic rules taught by wrong people.
Merhaba Rosemoon, what a nice name
Welcome to Turkish Class...Your English is very good. You touched on a lot of interesting points. I just wish I had more time to write posts here.
As I understand it, you are quite right. Nobody should be denied education in Islam or any religion. Education is vital for life maintenance.
In fact it was reported that Mohamed (pbuh) said, "Seek knowledge even if you have to go as far as China".
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17 Apr 2009 Fri 10:09 am |
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Boy it that ever true! It´s amazing what comes out during divorce process. The once loveing starry eyed lovers get fangs!
I think you carry the same baggage with you where ever you go.
it looks like art of divorce surpasses the art of love....
Divorce makes us angry a lot. And it does not matter whether you are millionaire or belong to middle class. Several days ago at 8.30 am i was walking to the bank. Many people around were witnesses of conversation of woman with her former husband. We all knew that she did not want to see his back, front and both sides. She felt deeply insulted because he drove the car and she should use public transport. She was so deeply angry that it could be felt meters away. She looked and felt exhausted and i just could guess what kind of health and mental problems she would face in the future. I should wait another 10 minutes to enter the bank and she was waiting for her ex. I saw that car..... Shkoda Fabia ... i would call it women´s car: small and tiny
I think situation can be changed if we change the attitude to partner. Contracts and laws do not have that power to leave us friends after everything is over. Or maybe I am too idealistic...
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17 Apr 2009 Fri 10:50 am |
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Nobody should be denied education in Islam or any religion. Education is vital for life maintenance.
In fact it was reported that Mohamed (pbuh) said, "Seek knowledge even if you have to go as far as China".
Don’t look at what was stated, bit what was done  i do not want to say that Islam just declares while others do... All religions declare a lot of nice things
I heard two things: Islam is kind and well-disposed religion, and Islam authorize jihad. Christians says that Old and New Testaments are given by God, though if we read we will feel that there are two different Gods. Or at least that one God changed His mind drastically. And i found the source. The name of book is Big Paradox or two styles of the Koran. Author is Muslim, and he should hide from "gentle" readers for long time when book was published. I found parallels there. The Koran has two periods based on where suras were written: Mekka and Medina, content of which could be compared to Testaments. Circumstances of private life influenced religion. At last Crusades were authorized as well
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17 Apr 2009 Fri 12:05 pm |
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Merhaba Rosemoon, what a nice name
Welcome to Turkish Class...Your English is very good. You touched on a lot of interesting points. I just wish I had more time to write posts here.
As I understand it, you are quite right. Nobody should be denied education in Islam or any religion. Education is vital for life maintenance.
In fact it was reported that Mohamed (pbuh) said, "Seek knowledge even if you have to go as far as China".
thanks, for your appreciation.
seems the theme on arranged and forced marriages is endless.
recently we had the same topic with our guests from abroad.
guess i failed to explain them the difference of arranged and forced marriages.
i advise them to read articles in this chat.
see you.
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