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Turkey low in math, reading and science ranks
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1.       catwoman
8933 posts
 23 Apr 2009 Thu 03:36 am

Ranking of coutries based on 15 year old high school students from various countries in math, science and reading. Turkey, consistently low on the list! Although this particular list is from 2003, the latest one has similar results (I could not find it on the web though). What is the problem with the Turkish education system???

 

Mean Performance on Mathematics Scale

 Range of ranks1
CountryUpper
rank2
Lower
rank3
Hong Kong (China) 1 3
Finland 1 4
South Korea 1 5
Netherlands 2 7
Liechtenstein 2 9
Japan 3 10
Canada 5 9
Belgium 5 10
Macao (China) 6 12
Switzerland 6 12
Australia 9 12
New Zealand 9 13
Czech Republic 12 17
Iceland 13 16
Denmark 13 17
France 14 18
Sweden 15 19
Austria 16 20
Germany 17 21
Ireland 17 21
Slovak Republic 19 24
Norway 21 24
Luxembourg 22 24
Poland 22 26
Hungary 22 27
Spain 25 28
Latvia 25 28
United States 25 28
Russian Federation 29 31
Portugal 29 31
Italy 29 31
Greece 32 33
Serbia 32 34
Turkey 33 36
Uruguay 34 36
Thailand 34 36
Mexico 37 37
Indonesia 38 40
Tunisia 38 40
Brazil 38

40

2.       lessluv
1052 posts
 23 Apr 2009 Thu 03:59 am

(results for Britain were not available)

Were they too embarassed?Unsure

3.       Trudy
7887 posts
 23 Apr 2009 Thu 07:01 am

I see that ´WE´  are doing quite well....

4.       lessluv
1052 posts
 23 Apr 2009 Thu 07:40 am

 

Quoting Trudy

I see that ´WE´  are doing quite well....

 

 That´s because ´you´ have the best teachers Wink

5.       peacetrain
1905 posts
 23 Apr 2009 Thu 08:56 am

I wonder why the USA is so low too . . .

 

As for Turkey, I´m not sure why but on my trips to Istanbul I stay with teachers who work in a private school.  I did some voluntary work in the school and found the discipline lacking.  Class sizes around 25 to 30 and a lack of stimulating resources or ICT .

 

Whilst I was there, a fortnight ago I spoke with a  Turkish teacher who teaches English in a state school. She said the children lacked motivation to learn.  I wonder if the children feel there is no point if their social prospects aren´t promising . . . I don´t know.  One thing the teacher said was that in her high school, in Istanbul,  there are 55 students in a class! No teaching assistants and the possibility of at least 2 children with some kind of disability such as autism.  She went on to say that some primary school classes may have as many as 70 children in a class.  I guess , if this is the case, teachers as well as students will become demotivated.

 

I´m surprised that literacy isn´t better.  I would have thought that having such a phonetic language, reading and spelling would present less difficulty than, say english.  Although, perhaps it´s a struggle to cope with some of the longer words that can occur due to suffixes/

 

n.b.   sorry of there are any typos . . . I left my glasses at work and can´t see a thing!

6.       si++
3785 posts
 23 Apr 2009 Thu 09:18 am

I am a member of this site:

http://projecteuler.net

 

where there is a statistics section about the countries.

There is only 153 registered members from Turkey and only 10 or some of them are currently active.

 

Check the number of registered members for some countries:

Greece -- 154

Scotland -- 196

Sweden -- 1324

Holland -- 785

USA -- 7841

Norway -- 468

Humgary -- 191

Finland -- 408

etc.

7.       catwoman
8933 posts
 23 Apr 2009 Thu 12:33 pm

 

Quoting si++

I am a member of this site:

http://projecteuler.net

 

where there is a statistics section about the countries.

There is only 153 registered members from Turkey and only 10 or some of them are currently active.

 

Check the number of registered members for some countries:

Greece -- 154

Scotland -- 196

Sweden -- 1324

Holland -- 785

USA -- 7841

Norway -- 468

Humgary -- 191

Finland -- 408

etc.

 

Unsure

8.       catwoman
8933 posts
 23 Apr 2009 Thu 12:42 pm

 

Quoting peacetrain

I wonder why the USA is so low too . . .

 

As for Turkey, I´m not sure why but on my trips to Istanbul I stay with teachers who work in a private school.  I did some voluntary work in the school and found the discipline lacking.  Class sizes around 25 to 30 and a lack of stimulating resources or ICT .

 

Whilst I was there, a fortnight ago I spoke with a  Turkish teacher who teaches English in a state school. She said the children lacked motivation to learn.  I wonder if the children feel there is no point if their social prospects aren´t promising . . . I don´t know.  One thing the teacher said was that in her high school, in Istanbul,  there are 55 students in a class! No teaching assistants and the possibility of at least 2 children with some kind of disability such as autism.  She went on to say that some primary school classes may have as many as 70 children in a class.  I guess , if this is the case, teachers as well as students will become demotivated.

 

I´m surprised that literacy isn´t better.  I would have thought that having such a phonetic language, reading and spelling would present less difficulty than, say english.  Although, perhaps it´s a struggle to cope with some of the longer words that can occur due to suffixes/

 

n.b.   sorry of there are any typos . . . I left my glasses at work and can´t see a thing!

 

That is an interesting insight.. I am still surprised though to see such low results in a country with free national education. Turkey is right above Mexico, and from the little I know about Mexico is that they have real deep social issues, and I would not think of Turkey to be anywhere near there..

How phonetic the language is has nothing to do with reading skills, math and science, peacetrain!!! You should know that..

 

Supposedly one of the reasons why the US ranks so low is because of the inner city schools and the ´no child left behind´ program, which too often makes school boards lower the passing grades instead of increasing quality..

9.       TheJanissary
384 posts
 23 Apr 2009 Thu 01:00 pm

I still believe that 2=1  

 

 

10.       Trudy
7887 posts
 23 Apr 2009 Thu 01:01 pm

 

Quoting TheJanissary

I still believe that 2=1  

 

 

 

 QED!!

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