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When will the Christians Recognize the Native American Genocide
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10.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 08 Aug 2009 Sat 11:27 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Tami, are you implying that Christians believe that Indians gave up their land without any objections? That they weren´t exterminated, forced to live in reservations? That Christians are proud to have wiped out thousands of people? I may be mistaken but all people know it´s a fact that it was genoicide. I think the US government runs programmes to support local culture and to make up for what happened to the Native Americans.

 

And who should be to blame? I mean, which countries? As I suppose you know it wasn´t one country that conquered America. Moreover, those countries differed in their official religions so it´s hard to blame one denomination and/or the religious motivation of the genoicide. Do you think that if Muslims of thet time were clever enough to discover America they´d make friends with the natives?

 

I´m not sure what your point is...

 

I`m just asking when the christian countries will recognize this genocide? is it too complicated?

11.       Trudy
7887 posts
 08 Aug 2009 Sat 11:29 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

when Armenia admits the Turkish genocide.

 

 

ok Trudy when will America and your country recognize the native American genocide?

 

 I can´t talk for the US, I´m not American. As far as I know we did, like we admitted slavery practice in the 19th century. Thus......

12.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 08 Aug 2009 Sat 11:30 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

I`m just asking when the christian countries will recognize this genocide? is it too complicated?

 

and I asked you which countries you meant

13.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 08 Aug 2009 Sat 11:31 pm

 

Quoting Trudy

 

 

 I can´t talk for the US, I´m not American. As far as I know we did, like we admitted slavery practice in the 19th century. Thus......

 

as far as you know?

 

any proof?

 

when did your government officially recognize the native american genocide?

14.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 08 Aug 2009 Sat 11:32 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

and I asked you which countries you meant

 

15.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 08 Aug 2009 Sat 11:48 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

 

I´m not sure about Poland´s activity with colonisation of America. Or is it a list of countries with Christian majorities?

 

The Tribunal rejected the claim to recognise it as genoicide because what happened didn´t fit into the definition. First of all, it was a clash of cultures deadly to one, not an organised action with an extermination plan. I have no idea why the Tribunal gave such a sentence, I don´t really think it should matter that the invaders were from different nations and different religions. Wiping out almost the whole civilisation must be genoicide. But then, wouldn´t all wars, all border changes be classified as genoicide?

 

What I don´t get is why you insist on making it a religious thing. The countries you quote above share Christian roots but their denominations differ to a great extend. thus it is impossible for them to take responsibility for one another as all have different "headquarters" institutions and management.

 

But I agree that what happened in Americas and Australia should be called genoicide

 

 

 

16.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 08 Aug 2009 Sat 11:51 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

I´m not sure about Poland´s activity with colonisation of America. Or is it a list of countries with Christian majorities?

 

 

 

 

you`re struggling to find out why I picked these countries?

 

 

These christian countries are the ones who have recognized the so called armenian genocide.

 

Yet, none of them recognize the Native American Genocide?

 

 

can you tell me why?

17.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 08 Aug 2009 Sat 11:56 pm

 

Quoting mhsn supertitiz

 

 

you`re struggling to find out why I picked these countries?

 

 

These christian countries are the ones who have recognized the so called armenian genocide.

 

Yet, none of them recognize the Native American Genocide?

 

 

can you tell me why?

 

Poland is not a Christian country It´s secular although Catholicism is the predominant religion. And yes, I can tell you why they didn´t recognise the NAG - because the Tribunal decided it wasn´t genoicide. It is as simple as that. I disagree with it and probably so do you (for different reasons but still), but it´s not up to us to decide.

18.       mhsn supertitiz
518 posts
 09 Aug 2009 Sun 12:02 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

Poland is not a Christian country It´s secular although Catholicism is the predominant religion. And yes, I can tell you why they didn´t recognise the NAG - because the Tribunal decided it wasn´t genoicide. It is as simple as that. I disagree with it and probably so do you (for different reasons but still), but it´s not up to us to decide.

 

ahahhaha yea, if it`s not a christian country, then Turkey is not a muslim country. is it a coincidence that almost all of the countries who recognize the so called armenian genocide are christian countries and that none of these christian countries recognize the Native American Genocide?

 

why can`t you admit for once that it`s because of the christian hypocrisy?



Edited (8/9/2009) by mhsn supertitiz

19.       girleegirl
5065 posts
 09 Aug 2009 Sun 01:58 am

As an American (and a person of Cherokee and Comanche heritage) I actually I think Tami has a point.  I believe that the US should officially recognize what happened to Natives as genocide, especially if we expect others to take the same stand against other atrocities.   (That said, I do believe it is a bit ridiculous to go back hundreds of years and apologize for the error of the ways of your forefathers.... and lets not forget that the Natives would have a lot of apologizing to do too!!!)

 

What I do not agree with is the distinction that is made of Christian vs. Muslim.  It does not matter what the religions involved are......genocide is genocide is genocide!

 

I also hope that Tami will now also denounce genocide as well.................ball is yours Tam´s!  Big smile

 

20.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 09 Aug 2009 Sun 02:08 am

 

Quoting girleegirl

As an American (and a person of Cherokee and Comanche heritage) I actually I think Tami has a point.  I believe that the US should officially recognize what happened to Natives as genocide, especially if we expect others to take the same stand against other atrocities.   (That said, I do believe it is a bit ridiculous to go back hundreds of years and apologize for the error of the ways of your forefathers.... and lets not forget that the Natives would have a lot of apologizing to do too!!!)

 

What I do not agree with is the distinction that is made of Christian vs. Muslim.  It does not matter what the religions involved are......genocide is genocide is genocide!

 

I also hope that Tami will now also denounce genocide as well.................ball is yours Tam´s!  Big smile

 

 

That´s exactly what I´ve been trying to tell Tami (but for the "As an American" part).  I personally feel it should be considered genocide full stop

 

As for why those countries recognised the Armenian genocide and not the Norther American one, i may only guess that The Tribunal´s decision was crucial - how to find a culprit with so many countries and religions involved? How to prove there was a plan of extermination? Who was behind it? What institutions? Let´s not forget that the idea of genocide was coined in the 20th century, roughly400 years after the discovery of America. Tami blames Christianity but it wasn´t a religious slaughter - it was the land and the resources that were of primary interest to Europe

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