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50.       lemon
1374 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 12:45 pm

Wow, never thought that this thread would get so much attention. Isnt is just a colour of skin? {#emotions_dlg.unsure}

 

And yes, shame on you, DD. You spoke only once? {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes}  You are such a villager! You probably havent met in your life any kazakh or japo at all. What a shame!

 

I agree with Vineyards. We have to learn to respect each other and at the same time keep our cultural heritage. Otherwise these big organizations like UN or EU or USA are going to make us all into one big, colorless, cultureless Kolhoz.

51.       libralady
5152 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 12:48 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

This is ridiculous. Should we all now aspire to have a black friend? Are there agencies renting friends of different colours? I´m 32 and in my life I´ve spoken to a black person once. It was on a bus and he was asking me about how to get somewhere. There aren´t many black people in Poland, not many in Ireland either. Does the fact that I don´t know any black people make me a racist?

What we should teach our children is that all people are the same, regardless of their race, gender or material status. Not that we should do something just to show off...

 

 This reminds me of my oldest son when he was aged 2.  We were travelling from Germany through Netherlands on a train.  He sat on my husbands knee staring blindly for what seemed like hours, at the black man in the seat opposite, never ever having seen a black person before.  The black man found it very amusing. 

 

You are right about teaching our children that people are the same where ever they are from (we are all physically made the same way more or less I mean) or what ever position they hold (I hate elitism as much as racism).  Not like Animal Farm, "all animals are equal, just that some animals are more equal than others"!

52.       lemon
1374 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 12:54 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 This reminds me of my oldest son when he was aged 2.  We were travelling from Germany through Netherlands on a train.  He sat on my husbands knee staring blindly for what seemed like hours, at the black man in the seat opposite, never ever having seen a black person before.  The black man found it very amusing. 

What? there were no black people in UK like 20 years ago? {#emotions_dlg.wtf}

 

You are right about teaching our children that people are the same where ever they are from (we are all physically made the same way more or less I mean) or what ever position they hold (I hate elitism as much as racism).  Not like Animal Farm, "all animals are equal, just that some animals are more equal than others"!

Strange thing I feel whenever I read your posts they have a tint of elitism. Why?

We are not animals. We are human beings, designed perfect but failed at our own choice. {#emotions_dlg.shame}

 

 

53.       libralady
5152 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 01:06 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

 This reminds me of my oldest son when he was aged 2.  We were travelling from Germany through Netherlands on a train.  He sat on my husbands knee staring blindly for what seemed like hours, at the black man in the seat opposite, never ever having seen a black person before.  The black man found it very amusing. 

What? there were no black people in UK like 20 years ago? {#emotions_dlg.wtf}

 

You are right about teaching our children that people are the same where ever they are from (we are all physically made the same way more or less I mean) or what ever position they hold (I hate elitism as much as racism).  Not like Animal Farm, "all animals are equal, just that some animals are more equal than others"!

Strange thing I feel whenever I read your posts they have a tint of elitism. Why?

We are not animals. We are human beings, designed perfect but failed at our own choice. {#emotions_dlg.shame}

 

 

 

He is 32 so 30 years ago, there were hardly any black people where I come from in the sticks, and there still aren´t that many. 

 

You find my posts are a little elitist because that is the way you wish to find them. I think you have this view of me so that so off the mark!!!  Anyway,  I did not say we are animals, just quoting from the book Animal Farm by George Orwell.  And really a perfect example of how people as you say, "Designed perfect (most of the time) but failed at our own choice"

 

54.       lemon
1374 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 01:16 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

He is 32 so 30 years ago, there were hardly any black people where I come from in the sticks, and there still aren´t that many. 

Oh, ok, still but strange. Then you must be from one of the elitist part of UK {#emotions_dlg.rolleyes} as I assume.

 

You find my posts are a little elitist because that is the way you wish to find them. I think you have this view of me so that so off the mark!!! 

You dont know that, but you are to some extent elitist. Anyway...

 Anyway,  I did not say we are animals, just quoting from the book Animal Farm by George Orwell.  And really a perfect example of how people as you say, "Designed perfect (most of the time) but failed at our own choice"

That is the exactly thing. I dont like George Orwell (he wrote crazy demonic stuff) and you quoted him. He is one of those who try to animalize humans who are perfect by design but chose to do evil.

 

 

55.       libralady
5152 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 02:57 pm

 

Quoting lemon

 

 

 

 

1) I come from the Fens so you can decide if living in the wilderness of Cambridgeshire and Norfolk is elitist, where black people prefer not to live, not sure why that is so weird

 

2) What makes you think I am elitist??  You know about as much about me as I know about you and that is not that much

3) I did not say I liked George Orwell - you are right, he is a weird writer  

 

This is turning into quite a strange thread, where it seems to be an issue that you do not live somewhere where black people have chosen not to live!  Funny thing is, I live somewhere where Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, and Latvians prefer to live

56.       lemon
1374 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 03:45 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

2) What makes you think I am elitist??  You know about as much about me as I know about you and that is not that much

Nothing pesronal I know of you. I may know a bit of your ideas. Our words, our posts do represent much of us.

This is turning into quite a strange thread, where it seems to be an issue that you do not live somewhere where black people have chosen not to live!  Funny thing is, I live somewhere where Poles, Lithuanians, Estonians, and Latvians prefer to live

Thats why you have a dislike of eastern europeans. {#emotions_dlg.razz}

 

 

57.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 04:18 pm

I like George Orwell. And I see nothing wrong with Animal Farm. It´s like fables - animals were used to represent concepts, human characteristics etc in order to teach readers a moral lesson.

 

58.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 07:34 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

This is ridiculous. Should we all now aspire to have a black friend? Are there agencies renting friends of different colours? I´m 32 and in my life I´ve spoken to a black person once. It was on a bus and he was asking me about how to get somewhere. There aren´t many black people in Poland, not many in Ireland either. Does the fact that I don´t know any black people make me a racist?

What we should teach our children is that all people are the same, regardless of their race, gender or material status. Not that we should do something just to show off...

 

No, I´m not saying we should all go to the "adopt a black friend" agency. I´m just saying that the behaviour of parents is more influential on children than their toys. Vineyards suggested that every child needs a coloured Barbie. You can give a child a black Barbie, but if you then turn around and talk racist or act racist the Barbie doll doesn´t have any influence. Lead by example. The Barbie doesn´t hurt though

 

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59.       Capoeira
575 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 07:53 pm

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

  He sat on my husbands knee staring blindly for what seemed like hours, at the black man in the seat opposite, never ever having seen a black person before. 

 

in the States we teach children to not stare. if that had been me,  my mother would have said something to make me stop. being one of the rare ´brown/woman/foreigner´ that most people have ever met or seen before, i wonder why people think it´s acceptable to stare. maybe it is just cultural but i find it rude. maybe in other cultures staring is acceptable. i am certain the man wasn´t amused.  he was just tolerant as life has taught those of us who get stares ALL the TIME to just bare it as best as we can. otherwise we will go around everyday angry and depressed. better to make lemonade...

by the way i´ve been in poland...next time i come i´ll call you daydreamer so you can add two to the list of brown people you have met!

60.       libralady
5152 posts
 25 Aug 2010 Wed 08:00 pm

 

Quoting Capoeira

 

Quoting libralady

 

 

  He sat on my husbands knee staring blindly for what seemed like hours, at the black man in the seat opposite, never ever having seen a black person before. 

 

in the States we teach children to not stare. if that had been me,  my mother would have said something to make me stop. being one of the rare ´brown/woman/foreigner´ that most people have ever met or seen before, i wonder why people think it´s acceptable to stare. maybe it is just cultural but i find it rude. maybe in other cultures staring is acceptable. i am certain the man wasn´t amused.  he was just tolerant as life has taught those of us who get stares ALL the TIME to just bare it as best as we can. otherwise we will go around everyday angry and depressed. better to make lemonade...

by the way i´ve been in poland...next time i come i´ll call you daydreamer so you can add two to the list of brown people you have met!

 

Yes you are right, it is rude to stare and I don´t think it is acceptable.  He was two years old and the man opposite did not mind, he started to talk to and play with my little boy to put him at ease.  He just could not take his eyes of him!  Nothing rude or personal just a little boy unsure of something.  The man was very pleasant and when it was time to leave the train we wished each other well on our journeys.

 

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