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1.       xying88
1 posts
 26 Sep 2010 Sun 10:04 pm

this is a simple question...

 

mutfakta kedi var

 

since we follow the SOV subject-object-verb rule...does this not also make sense:

kedi mutfakta var ie.

[a] cat (subject) - in [the] kitchen - there is (verb)

 

??

2.       si++
3785 posts
 27 Sep 2010 Mon 10:12 am

 

Quoting xying88

this is a simple question...

 

mutfakta kedi var

 

since we follow the SOV subject-object-verb rule...does this not also make sense:

kedi mutfakta var ie.

[a] cat (subject) - in [the] kitchen - there is (verb)

 

??

 

Turkish is free word order language. All the permutations (6 for the above case) would be understandable. But the the following 2 sound better than remainings to me.

Mutfakta kedi var

Kedi var mutfakta

So I think "kedi var" should be treated as a unit and number of permutations becomes 2.

3.       zeytinne
596 posts
 27 Sep 2010 Mon 10:40 am

 

Quoting xying88

this is a simple question...

 

mutfakta kedi var

 

since we follow the SOV subject-object-verb rule...does this not also make sense:

kedi mutfakta var ie.

[a] cat (subject) - in [the] kitchen - there is (verb)

 

??

 

 Can we say in english : cat kitchen is at ?

4.       Türkçeci
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 27 Sep 2010 Mon 11:48 am

since we follow the SOV subject-object-verb rule...does this not also make sense:

kedi mutfakta var ie.

[a] cat (subject) - in [the] kitchen - there is (verb)

 

??

Mutfakta kedi varDIR.

´vardır´ the pradicate of this sentence.

It is called ´ek fiiller´or ´ek eylem´ -İn Turkish.

Those are verbal endings; DIR, DİR, İDİ, İMİŞ, İSE

Araba SARIDIR.

Kapıyı çalan bendim. ( Ben İDİM)

Bu daha iyi. (İYİDİR)

Lokanta güzelmiş. ( güzel İMİŞ

Benim en iyi arkadaşım sendin.( sen idin)

Bugün okuldayDIN. ( okulda VARDIN)

Bugün okulda değildin. (yoktun)

 

 

 

5.       scalpel
1472 posts
 27 Sep 2010 Mon 12:03 pm

English is an analytic/isolating language.

Brutus killed Caesar

The position of the words determines their function in the sentence.

In Turkish, as it is a synthetic language, you can change the word order without changing the meaning:

Brutus Sezar´ı öldürdü

Sezar´ı Brutus öldürdü

Sezar´ı öldürdü Brutus

Brutus öldürdü Sezar´ı

Öldürdü Brutus Sezar´ı

Öldürdü Sezar´ı Brutüs

 

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6.       turkishcobra
607 posts
 27 Sep 2010 Mon 02:38 pm

 

Quoting scalpel

A small contribution:

Brutus Sezar´ı öldürdü > What did Brutus do? (Brütüs ne yaptı?)

Sezar´ı Brutus öldürdü > Who killed Cesar? (Sezar´ı kim öldürdü?)

Sezar´ı öldürdü Brutus > Who did Brutus kill? (Brütüs kimi öldürdü?)

Brutus öldürdü Sezar´ı > Who killed Cesar? (Sezar´ı kim öldürdü?)

Öldürdü Brutus Sezar´ı > Poetic saying

Öldürdü Sezar´ı Brutüs > Poetic saying

 

 

thanks.

 

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7.       passer-by
97 posts
 05 Oct 2010 Tue 01:51 pm

 

Quoting xying88

this is a simple question...

 

mutfakta kedi var

 

since we follow the SOV subject-object-verb rule...does this not also make sense:

kedi mutfakta var ie.

[a] cat (subject) - in [the] kitchen - there is (verb)

 

??

 

hi,

try to keep S and V as close as possible..

 

Kedi var mutfakta.

Mutfakta kedi var.

Kedi mutfakta var.*

 

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